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Post by jmisbest on Sept 18, 2021 17:24:37 GMT
I'm planning to start Night Dragon tomorrow, I've generated my character and thanks to the boosts you give your character this will be my 1st playthrough of Night Dragon were all 3 of my characters stats are maxed out but its also 1st playthrough of Night Dragon were I have the minimum amount of Gold Coins
This means that my character has Skill 12, Stamina 22+2 or 24, Luck 11+1 or 12 and 2+3+10 or 15 Gold Coins. Using this character will likely be very troublesome. Can someone please do me a guide?
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Sept 18, 2021 18:09:49 GMT
I think you should use your initiative and alter the solution as provided to your own ends.
Nothing here is set in stone as it is obvious Champskees solutions are a resource to be plundered in whichever way you see fit. My own solutions were only constructs as I more or less said many moons ago. Champskees used mathematics to generate a percentage as to how risky a gamebook is with certain stats. My own solutions were built around the minimum usually because it forced you to try and build a solution that took advantage of what was available. In the case of Stormslayer this bore fruit because Champskees then built a more plausible solution with more mid range stats. This was an obvious and clear example my constructs are not somehow determinate prescriptions to be worshipped. I think many moons ago I was obviously joking when I said the mathematics could be ignored when clearly it cannot be ignored.
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Post by CharlesX on Sept 18, 2021 19:33:29 GMT
In which ways is a character with maxed out stats troublesome (aside from gold, which isn't half as important as the others)? You sound like a woman complaining her boobs are too big.
Anyway 🙌 Night Dragon is particularly interesting in that, aside from being a pretty above-average adventure, it's fairly non-linear in that you can choose the order of places to go to, and you can go to or skip Carnex. What's more linear is the true path, so do you want to maximise your chances of success, or go down the more interesting routes? There's already been exchanges about this on the Night Dragon gamebook thread and the Night Dragon solution thread. The gold is not so much an issue as you can always work for more days to get more supplies, with the choice being yours, no advice. I for example note Champskees solution doesn't include money for poison salve, which can come in handy, but is also expensive. Rereading his solution, he mentions purchasing more things if you've got enough money.
By the way Night Dragon isn't a particularly challenging adventure, I haven't checked the Champskees algorithm table under Night Dragon solution, but I suggest you do that and you won't need maximum stats to win. You might find Night Dragon too easy.
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Post by jmisbest on Sept 18, 2021 20:36:55 GMT
In which ways is a character with maxed out stats troublesome (aside from gold, which isn't half as important as the others)? You sound like a woman complaining her boobs are too big. Anyway 🙌 Night Dragon is particularly interesting in that, aside from being a pretty above-average adventure, it's fairly non-linear in that you can choose the order of places to go to, and you can go to or skip Carnex. What's more linear is the true path, so do you want to maximise your chances of success, or go down the more interesting routes? There's already been exchanges about this on the Night Dragon gamebook thread and the Night Dragon solution thread. The gold is not so much an issue as you can always work for more days to get more supplies, with the choice being yours, no advice. I for example note Champskees solution doesn't include money for poison salve, which can come in handy, but is also expensive. Rereading his solution, he mentions purchasing more things if you've got enough money. By the way Night Dragon isn't a particularly challenging adventure, I haven't checked the Champskees algorithm table under Night Dragon solution, but I suggest you do that and you won't need maximum stats to win. You might find Night Dragon too easy. When I said a character with maxed out stats is troublesome the trouble I was referring is the possibility that such a character may make the book too easy, which means I wouldn't enjoy it and as Night Dragon is the only 1 of The 1st 59 Books that I've never beaten without cheating I was genuinely concerned about the possibility that such a character may make the book too easy, which means I wouldn't enjoy it |
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Post by The Count on Sept 18, 2021 21:42:27 GMT
Start by rolling real stats on six sided dice and not adding non existent bonuses.
Or maybe by getting a new schtick as this one is old...
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Post by CharlesX on Sept 19, 2021 4:57:44 GMT
In which ways is a character with maxed out stats troublesome (aside from gold, which isn't half as important as the others)? You sound like a woman complaining her boobs are too big. Anyway 🙌 Night Dragon is particularly interesting in that, aside from being a pretty above-average adventure, it's fairly non-linear in that you can choose the order of places to go to, and you can go to or skip Carnex. What's more linear is the true path, so do you want to maximise your chances of success, or go down the more interesting routes? There's already been exchanges about this on the Night Dragon gamebook thread and the Night Dragon solution thread. The gold is not so much an issue as you can always work for more days to get more supplies, with the choice being yours, no advice. I for example note Champskees solution doesn't include money for poison salve, which can come in handy, but is also expensive. Rereading his solution, he mentions purchasing more things if you've got enough money. By the way Night Dragon isn't a particularly challenging adventure, I haven't checked the Champskees algorithm table under Night Dragon solution, but I suggest you do that and you won't need maximum stats to win. You might find Night Dragon too easy. When I said a character with maxed out stats is troublesome the trouble I was referring is the possibility that such a character may make the book too easy, which means I wouldn't enjoy it and as Night Dragon is the only 1 of The 1st 59 Books that I've never beaten without cheating I was genuinely concerned about the possibility that such a character may make the book too easy, which means I wouldn't enjoy it Several FF books are difficult to the point you will struggle even with maxed out stats, such as COTS and the nuts BOTZ, so I get why you lost patience and designed a maxed-out character, with the intent of compensating by minimising the gold. However, Night Dragon is comparatively kind, and the solution puts your odds with a Skill 9 Stamina 18 Luck 9 character 87-88%. If you did somehow roll really high stats, you could accept them and enjoy Night Dragon for the writing and the challenge; success is still far from certain (really, I've had good avatars killed on the true path in FOD and COC). |
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Post by sylas on Sept 20, 2021 13:57:56 GMT
If you believe playing Night Dragon with maxed out stats can be troublesome, I don't think a guide is the kind of help needed.
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Post by jmisbest on Sept 20, 2021 14:40:06 GMT
If you believe playing Night Dragon with maxed out stats can be troublesome, I don't think a guide is the kind of help needed. The trouble I'm referring to is that playing Night Dragon with a character with maxed out stats may make it too easy and if it were I wouldn't enjoy it, so I want a guide for Night Dragon that will pose a challenge for a character that has maxed stats |
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Post by kieran on Sept 20, 2021 15:18:11 GMT
If you believe playing Night Dragon with maxed out stats can be troublesome, I don't think a guide is the kind of help needed. The trouble I'm referring to is that playing Night Dragon with a character with maxed out stats may make it too easy and if it were I wouldn't enjoy it, so I want a guide for Night Dragon that will pose a challenge for a character that has maxed stats Going for the sword first makes things trickier. Also doing Carnex early on. Though I imagine with max stats, you should still beat it comfortably. Or play without a guide and you'll probably find it much more challenging. |
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Post by CharlesX on Sept 20, 2021 16:22:54 GMT
If you believe playing Night Dragon with maxed out stats can be troublesome, I don't think a guide is the kind of help needed. The trouble I'm referring to is that playing Night Dragon with a character with maxed out stats may make it too easy and if it were I wouldn't enjoy it, so I want a guide for Night Dragon that will pose a challenge for a character that has maxed stats As we've hinted at there is a 'miss nothing' path where you go to Carnex and Dreamtime early on, that way you turn the Mountain Basilisk to stone, get Harlequin's boots, the tome of the reaches, Firewater, so on. It's much harder than the 'best bet' route and slightly anticlimactic, because the hardest parts will be the earlier parts. |
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Post by sylas on Sept 21, 2021 19:27:53 GMT
Following a guide and knowing exactly where the potential challenges are while using maxed out stats is no challenge at all. Any success is hollow and the fun of playing and discovering things is taken away and replaced by near-certainty. I would not enjoy this approach at all, but that's just me.
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