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Post by offm on Nov 7, 2017 12:14:58 GMT
www.dropbox.com/s/a21ryeaiq983g8r/FromTheShadows.v2.pdf?dl=0Edit: The intoduction of the Adventure Fighting FantasyAdventureUnlike other Fighting Fantasy gamebooks, From The Shadows is a collaborative project written bymyself anda group of other dedicated Fighting Fantasy forum members. The original adventure structure was split into several small chapters, with each chapter being writtenseparatelyby the contributors. Eventually, the adventure was brought together by my humble self, playtested and edited, then brought to light, to share with the world of gamebook readers.Special Thanksgo to Ed Jolley, Al sander, Odo_ital, Tammy Badowski and Allen Zhou, without whose contribution this project would not have been possible
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Post by unknown on Jan 18, 2018 7:06:18 GMT
Did you make an online gamebook to this or is it still in pdf form
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Post by offm on Jan 18, 2018 23:59:21 GMT
This is the ammended version ready to be played online, it's not ready by me , hope it will be soon enough.
Sent from my SUNSET2 using proboards
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Post by linflas on Mar 27, 2020 14:41:11 GMT
Hello, bumping this topic because i've started translating it to french.
First, i'd like to know if i'm allowed to do so, as there are several authors who contributed.
Second, i have a question about section 16: It is told that the dead body which drops out from the smoke is the wizard i've come to see. But i've read nothing before about a wizard i should meet in Salamonis. Did I miss something ?
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Post by sylas on Mar 27, 2020 23:50:50 GMT
Hello, bumping this topic because i've started translating it to french. First, i'd like to know if i'm allowed to do so, as there are several authors who contributed. Second, i have a question about section 16: It is told that the dead body which drops out from the smoke is the wizard i've come to see. But i've read nothing before about a wizard i should meet in Salamonis. Did I miss something ? Hi there. I'm the main author and editor of this one. It should be fine to translate it as the contributing authors have given their consent ages ago. Just remember to mention all of us as contributors. If I recall correctly, the only mention that you are to meet a wizard is from the section before it - you go into a place you recognize as a wizard's abode, so naturally, you're expecting a wizard to be in there. If it makes little sense in translation, you may alter it a bit. Perhaps a stallholder or tavern patron can point him out to you. Hope that helps.
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Post by linflas on Mar 28, 2020 11:57:08 GMT
Allright, thanks for info ! As the wizard's abode is only mentioned at the end of section 159, I will just add that merchants haven't heard about Dark Elves but one of them shows us the house and tells us that the wizard living here may have better info. Reading the intro and reading back Temple of Terror at the same time, an important question came to my mind : Yaztromo announces that Malbordus is dead. How can he be aware of that, as the champion he recruited hasn't come back from Vatos yet ? Did his would-be assassin revealed that before commiting suicide ? And if that's the case, how Dark Elves headquarters can be known that their pupil died ? I guess there may have more questions during my translating process... Also, I plan to pencil some interesting but non spoiling scenes such as Zengis hero statue, Sukumvit with Tamahelos sword, Salamon sitting on his throne with some members of the court, etc.
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Post by sylas on Mar 28, 2020 20:08:29 GMT
Allright, thanks for info ! As the wizard's abode is only mentioned at the end of section 159, I will just add that merchants haven't heard about Dark Elves but one of them shows us the house and tells us that the wizard living here may have better info. Reading the intro and reading back Temple of Terror at the same time, an important question came to my mind : Yaztromo announces that Malbordus is dead. How can he be aware of that, as the champion he recruited hasn't come back from Vatos yet ? Did his would-be assassin revealed that before commiting suicide ? And if that's the case, how Dark Elves headquarters can be known that their pupil died ? I guess there may have more questions during my translating process... Also, I plan to pencil some interesting but non spoiling scenes such as Zengis hero statue, Sukumvit with Tamahelos sword, Salamon sitting on his throne with some members of the court, etc. A good question that I never thought about, but then I didn't write that part either Art would be great. Please include the 3 Skeleton Warriors busting into the tavern if you've encountered that part. I would try to make the Hero of Zengis genderless too.
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Post by linflas on Mar 29, 2020 11:00:03 GMT
A good question that I never thought about, but then I didn't write that part either Then I may put a few more words about that, just enough to give a little bit of authencity. Not necessarily in the intro but maybe when we contact Yaz back, or when the evil high priest makes his final speech to us. Btw, I've read/played all parts of the story except the final end at elves' headquarters. Various ideas coming as I'm writing : - Our hero is obviously less experimented and weaker than Yaztromo's champion who went to Vatos. Maybe he could have default human stats and Yaz blesses/boosts him a little (roll dice to know which stat has been enhanced). - Yaz' ring may be usable at any (quiet) time if we specify section 383 when he gives it to us in the intro. Btw, i may pencil it with some stylish "383" on it. - Count days ? If we reach the final location before a week (for example), we get some special bonus against Dark Elves (such as Salamonis army help).
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Baron
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Post by sylas on Mar 29, 2020 11:44:15 GMT
I would read the finale as well as it may answer some of your questions.
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Post by a moderator on Mar 29, 2020 11:48:54 GMT
- Count days ? If we reach the final location before a week (for example), we get some special bonus against Dark Elves (such as Salamonis army help). I wanted to count days. I worked hard to try and make the travel times between locations accurate and consistent, and then I got told I had to cut all the timekeeping stuff for no good reason. That's a big part of why working on From the Shadows killed my enthusiasm for multi-authored gamebook projects.
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Post by sylas on Mar 29, 2020 13:59:18 GMT
- Count days ? If we reach the final location before a week (for example), we get some special bonus against Dark Elves (such as Salamonis army help). I wanted to count days. I worked hard to try and make the travel times between locations accurate and consistent, and then I got told I had to cut all the timekeeping stuff for no good reason. That's a big part of why working on From the Shadows killed my enthusiasm for multi-authored gamebook projects. It was a long time ago, before I even decided to retake the project which had been abandoned and unfinished for years. I believe after some discussion, it was decided to take out the Time element because the adventure was already brimming with unique rules from the various authors, including myself. Adding Time would have been cool, but like in Night Dragon, Tower of Destruction, and Knights of Doom and a few others, it was a feature that was largely disliked and made gameplay feel more restrictive. In addition, many of us had already written out drafts of our sections so to then incorporate a Time aspect would have made things problematic as not all visitable areas lasted just a single day. I myself was not immune to such changes and I still have drafts of how I would have written the adventure instead of what we have now. I'm sorry that you felt that way about the project, as I recall enjoying working with you guys for the most part and loved the creativity you brought to the team. I would have liked to work with you again on a different adventure.
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Post by linflas on Mar 30, 2020 16:01:10 GMT
Sorry for bringing up old grudges, but time count in such story sounded logical to me. Let's focus on something else. Salamonis part is the most complicated, as we must collect information to prove we are truthful. When we defeat the fleeting spirit, the wizard's note says : Seek allegiance not with the gracious but the true (244) But when we go to the palace, we don't meet Gregor (we only can at section 328). Was that intentional ?
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Post by sylas on Mar 30, 2020 22:45:33 GMT
Sorry for bringing up old grudges, but time count in such story sounded logical to me. Let's focus on something else. Salamonis part is the most complicated, as we must collect information to prove we are truthful. When we defeat the fleeting spirit, the wizard's note says : Seek allegiance not with the gracious but the true (244) But when we go to the palace, we don't meet Gregor (we only can at section 328). Was that intentional ?
Yes, the wizard is advising you with what he knows up to the time he was slain so it makes sense that he cannot predict if you would meet Gregor or not. By the time you get into the palace, the warning only applies to the one who displays false grace.
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Post by linflas on Mar 31, 2020 21:36:27 GMT
Swap from translating to penciling : here's the "383" ring.
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Post by linflas on Apr 2, 2020 21:29:17 GMT
Skelz !
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Post by sylas on Apr 3, 2020 16:21:18 GMT
linflasI've got a copy of From The Shadows printed out at home (all 100 A4pages of it). Would you mind if I printed out your illustrations to add to it? It's quality work you're doing!
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Post by linflas on Apr 3, 2020 17:20:16 GMT
Of course, but you'll have to be quite patient I also think about a color cover but I have no idea of what it would show. oh btw, these skeletons are not the definitive version, there might be some slight improvements.
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Post by sylas on Apr 3, 2020 19:40:02 GMT
Of course, but you'll have to be quite patient I also think about a color cover but I have no idea of what it would show. oh btw, these skeletons are not the definitive version, there might be some slight improvements. Not sure really. I thought about it before but never came up with anything decisive. Maybe have a creature coming through the Chaos Gate (trying not to spoil it if you haven't read that far yet ).
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Post by linflas on Apr 8, 2020 21:20:28 GMT
I've got some problem with translating some creatures names, because I can't find them in the official Titan bestiary. - Fleeting Spirit : is it a special materialization of some sort of Ganjee (same SKILL/STAMINA) ? - Dragon Couser : according to what happens to our hero, that dragon-like beast doesn't seem to have wings. Is it a sort of muscle dragon horse/rhino, or similar ? What does "couser" mean, by the way ? Can't find it in any dictionnary !
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Post by sylas on Apr 9, 2020 9:20:22 GMT
I've got some problem with translating some creatures names, because I can't find them in the official Titan bestiary. - Fleeting Spirit : is it a special materialization of some sort of Ganjee (same SKILL/STAMINA) ? - Dragon Couser : according to what happens to our hero, that dragon-like beast doesn't seem to have wings. Is it a sort of muscle dragon horse/rhino, or similar ? What does "couser" mean, by the way ? Can't find it in any dictionnary ! The Fleeting Spirit is not the same as Ganjees but is more similar to Astral/Demonic Slayers. It's appearance is not fixed, usually varying in accordance with what the victim fears. It is so named because it attacks then disappears in an instant making it a perfect assassin for evil spellcasters to summon. The Dragon Couser is not one of my creations but I imagined it to be wingless and lizard-like with six legs and draconic features. Couser is think is meant to describe a cousin or relative of dragons. Maybe similar to a Behir but with a more dragon-like head.
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Post by linflas on May 10, 2020 16:39:33 GMT
Translation is almost over, less than twenty sections left. Then, re-reading and correcting may take quite some time.
For illustrations, here's our lovely Baron's inking process (sorry for bad video quality).
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Post by sylas on May 11, 2020 19:18:27 GMT
That's fast work considering you're doing the art too. Looks great! Not sure if it was on your 'to-do' list but could you also illustrate the Spider-Snake thing in the barge. Think that was one of Greenspine's creations. It's one that I always had trouble picturing but I guess it would look more terrifying if some of it was left in shadow. You're doing a good job here.
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Post by linflas on May 11, 2020 19:56:21 GMT
I've already sketched Salamon on his throne, Dragon Couser in the arena and Mutant Sewer Goblin close to the altar. I'd give a try to Spider-Snake into shadows I need 3 new ideas/creatures for illustrations to reach 10, which is correct for an amateur gamebook i think. Most of official FF with 400 sections have about 15 to 20 big images. For small images between sections, i've already done 383 ring, 3 lieutenants heads, sword of tamahelos and helmet of fury. Need another object or artifact for the fifth one.
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Post by sylas on May 11, 2020 22:56:04 GMT
I've already sketched Salamon on his throne, Dragon Couser in the arena and Mutant Sewer Goblin close to the altar. I'd give a try to Spider-Snake into shadows I need 3 new ideas/creatures for illustrations to reach 10, which is correct for an amateur gamebook i think. Most of official FF with 400 sections have about 15 to 20 big images. For small images between sections, i've already done 383 ring, 3 lieutenants heads, sword of tamahelos and helmet of fury. Need another object or artifact for the fifth one. For the main illustrations, are you using the following paragraph numbers for the art: Mutant Goblin (57), Dragon Couser (169), King Salamon (252), Skeletons (349), Sukumvit (293)? And the Spider-Snake thing (270).
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Post by linflas on May 12, 2020 12:17:17 GMT
Mutant Goblin (57), King Salamon (136 or 252), Dragon Couser (169), Spider-Snake (270), Sukumvit (293), Skeletons (4 or 349). Best dispatch of illustrations should be 40 sections between each. Remaining locations that i haven't penciled yet : Stonebridge, Warpstone, Trolltooth Pass, Moonstone Hills, Darkwood, Elves Lair...
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Post by sylas on May 12, 2020 19:17:08 GMT
Mutant Goblin (57), King Salamon (136 or 252), Dragon Couser (169), Spider-Snake (270), Sukumvit (293), Skeletons (4 or 349). Best dispatch of illustrations should be 40 sections between each. Remaining locations that i haven't penciled yet : Stonebridge, Warpstone, Trolltooth Pass, Moonstone Hills, Darkwood, Elves Lair... I was thinking along similar lines with the spacing of the artwork. How about: Valgan Shar in the ritual cave (17)Mutant Goblin (57) Reaver's Festival in Blacksand (93)King Salamon (136) Dragon Couser (169) Aliana's jewelry shop (198)
Spider-snake (270) Sukumvit (293) Skeletons (349) Grass Mutant (384)
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Post by sylas on May 12, 2020 19:19:41 GMT
Another filler art item could be the rune-scribed Tooth-Pieces.
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Post by linflas on May 13, 2020 8:10:56 GMT
Valgan Shar in the ritual cave (17)Reaver's Festival in Blacksand (93) 17 : Putting Valgar at the beginning may spoil too much. In FF books, ending scenes are illustrated near the end most of the time. I can try to pencil Yaztromo at section 1 ? 93: I avoid penciling scenes with many people, such as Reaver's Festival. Maybe section 90, with the female Lieutenant figure over the rocks ?
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Post by philsadler on May 13, 2020 9:21:35 GMT
Just had a quick go of this and I'm impressed with just how fair it all is. An average character actually has a chance of getting through this one.
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Post by philsadler on May 13, 2020 9:24:07 GMT
Mutant Goblin (57), King Salamon (136 or 252), Dragon Couser (169), Spider-Snake (270), Sukumvit (293), Skeletons (4 or 349). Best dispatch of illustrations should be 40 sections between each. Remaining locations that i haven't penciled yet : Stonebridge, Warpstone, Trolltooth Pass, Moonstone Hills, Darkwood, Elves Lair... I was thinking along similar lines with the spacing of the artwork. How about: Sukumvit (293) Not too sure about illustrating him because we already know what he looks like. Here's an example from my own book which I got from his illustration in DD:
'The Baron stands up and what little noise there was disappears. You take this moment to examine the Lord of this place and find him to look older than you expected but that could be because he has a long beard that is already turning white. Your eyes are soon drawn to his somewhat ridiculous costume. It comprises of long flowing robes which feature ludicrously baggy sleeves that themselves have some strange sort of drape hanging over them with what you assume to be the Baron's insignia embroidered upon them. This embroidery is of a triangle with a sort of ring around part of it and a curious symbol of some sort of magical sign within it. This sign is hard to describe but to your eyes the most fitting comparison would be a lightning bolt. To top of this outfit is the most outlandish hat you have ever witnessed. It is so large that not only does it cover the wearer's head, but also his shoulders, neck and upper chest. In truth, the more you look at it, the more it resembles a huge mask with a bearded face peeping out from within it. Atop this hat rests what seems to be some sort of large jewel, or perhaps just an odd decoration. Below that sits no less than an animal's skull with four ornate horns coming from it!'
Now, as for the spider snake ... yes please!
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