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Post by petch on Nov 18, 2020 17:29:33 GMT
Blood of the Zombies is looking like a pretty solid prediction for bottom spot. It wouldn't be in my bottom 10 incidentally...if it wasn't for the totally broken gameplay or the irritating requirement to count every undead git you have slaughtered it would be good brainless fun a la Freeway Fighter. In other words, I knew it was rubbish but I found it to be enjoyable rubbish.
Not a clue what will be number 1. Would be good to see something unexpected out of leftfield...one of the Stephen Hand entries would be nice as he failed to get into the top 10 in the Best FF Ever poll recently. Or a Paul Mason one would be good if only to prove once and for all that the FF connoisseurs on this forum are partial to the taste of yeast extract.
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Post by vagsancho on Nov 18, 2020 18:47:31 GMT
The last should be Appointment with FEAR, close with Star Strider. The first should be Crypt of the Sorcerer or House of Hell. But having read some comments, i have to ask: How is possible for someone to not like Deathtrap Dungeon???
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Post by vastariner on Nov 18, 2020 20:51:31 GMT
Am guessing Skylord and Zombies are duking it out for last.
I reckon the top might be something like Howl of the Werewolf, in part because it may have fewer people ranking it, as being one of the newer books, so not so embedded in canon.
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Post by dragonwarrior8 on Nov 18, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
Creature of Havoc has to be in the running for top spot overall no? Talk about the ultimate "mic drop" from Steve Jackson on his way out the door.
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Post by sylas on Nov 18, 2020 22:08:58 GMT
Oh yeah, last places. I'll guess Sky Lord, Blood of the Zombies, Gates of Death, Chasms of Malice and Space Assassin though I rather enjoy the last two. Are you being cryptic? I do not own all the books.
I rather enjoy the last two as well.
I wonder if the writing will save Spellbreaker.
Will the sense of humour in Sky Lord save it from the last place of doom?
I do not want to speculate further as all will be revealed soon enough.
I'm not sure what you mean but it wasn't meant to be cryptic? If it's something to do with Chasms and Space being there it's because very few people have ever talked well about them. The other three are there for obvious reasons. Spellbreaker doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the bottom. The need to lose that battle is annoying especially as the reprints didn't fix it but it's common knowledge that the author intended the option of surrender to be included and most will know to play it as such. A similar reasoning can be applied to Black Vein Prophecy, Creature of Havoc, House of Hell for their vexing little flaws. In all these cases, even if there is a problem with gameplay, the storytelling more than makes up for it which renders the minor setbacks forgivable. IMO anyway.
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Post by sylas on Nov 18, 2020 22:11:43 GMT
having read some comments, i have to ask: How is possible for someone to not like Deathtrap Dungeon??? Some people don't enjoy tough adventures especially if the hero needs (near) maxed out attributes to have any chance of winning.
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Post by sylas on Nov 18, 2020 22:17:33 GMT
After some contemplation, I'm going to re-predict the top 5 and bottom 5 (not that the prediction matters but it's fun to have a play around). In no order:
Top 5 Howl of the Werewolf, City of Thieves, Khare: Cityport of Traps, Deathtrap Dungeon, House of Hell
Bottom 5 Gates of Death, Blood of the Zombies, Clash of the Princes, Sky Lord, Chasms of Malice
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Post by kieran on Nov 18, 2020 22:28:23 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean but it wasn't meant to be cryptic? I think the cryptic comment was about your reference to the Reaver's bottle.
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Post by tyrion on Nov 18, 2020 22:31:53 GMT
After some contemplation, I'm going to re-predict the top 5 and bottom 5 (not that the prediction matters but it's fun to have a play around). In no order: Top 5 Howl of the Werewolf, City of Thieves, Khare: Cityport of Traps, Deathtrap Dungeon, House of Hell Bottom 5 Gates of Death, Blood of the Zombies, Clash of the Princes, Sky Lord, Chasms of Malice I agree with the bottom five. I'd like to see slaves of the abyss and siege of sardath in the top five (if only to annoy Paul Mason), but house of hell and howl of the werewolf I'd imagine are in the top five. I'm honour of fallen adventurers, it would be nice to see Vault Of the vampire up there as wel.
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Post by The Count on Nov 18, 2020 22:59:42 GMT
But having read some comments, i have to ask: How is possible for someone to not like Deathtrap Dungeon??? The true path is well written for the most part, but it becomes very obvious when you take the wrong turn towards the end, the enforced friendship with a rival makes no sense and there are far too many humans just wandering round without a care in the world in this supposedly deadly dungeon. The Ninja teleports, assuming he doesn't find a secret door you can't access because you aren't allowed to go down two side passages because Ian decided you don't want to. The troll being named Ivy is stupid. Making a criticism of it is the equivalent of saying on twitter that the ugly boy band member wearing the ugly dress is attention seeking to make up for the sheer lack of talent. Some people just prefer different things after all. (*I don't actually dislike the book as a whole, I just find it horribly overrated and much prefer Trial of Champions).
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Nov 18, 2020 23:47:08 GMT
But having read some comments, i have to ask: How is possible for someone to not like Deathtrap Dungeon??? The true path is well written for the most part, but it becomes very obvious when you take the wrong turn towards the end, the enforced friendship with a rival makes no sense and there are far too many humans just wandering round without a care in the world in this supposedly deadly dungeon. The Ninja teleports, assuming he doesn't find a secret door you can't access because you aren't allowed to go down two side passages because Ian decided you don't want to. The troll being named Ivy is stupid. Making a criticism of it is the equivalent of saying on twitter that the ugly boy band member wearing the ugly dress is attention seeking to make up for the sheer lack of talent. Some people just prefer different things after all. (*I don't actually dislike the book as a whole, I just find it horribly overrated and much prefer Trial of Champions). Are you a fan of Scorpion Swamp which I will confidently predict to be in pole position? The path is brutally direct but a lot of fun and the writing is really something special as it is with Caverns of the Snow Witch. The could not care less writing with Trial of Champions is apparent and I think the difficulty level is so severe to distract you from it. Is there a book where it is clear Ian could no longer care less about what he is doing and is just writing to order? Maybe that book is Trial? I think the name Ivy is there simply to make the terrible joke about poison Ivy. You raise a really interesting point about whether it is the premise that is so captivating and memorable but the actual execution is slightly lacking so it could be considered overrated from the point of view you are suggesting.
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 0:06:20 GMT
And Then It Was Over.
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 0:11:23 GMT
Creature of Havoc has to be in the running for top spot overall no? Talk about the ultimate "mic drop" from Steve Jackson on his way out the door. I was absolutely certain that Creature would take number 1 uncontested in this sort of poll. That's why I did it - I couldn't believe that Howl and Talisman were the two greatest FF books, and I wanted to prove it.
Creature Of Havoc is certainly in my top three, and I think it's probably the most intricately crafted, and thoroughly tested FF of them all. (Paragraph 213 notwithstanding.)
Am I right?
This space: please watch.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Nov 19, 2020 0:15:17 GMT
How long will it take for observations and then a final result?
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 0:50:21 GMT
ROUND EIGHT OBSERVATIONS:
There was a slight increase in participation from the last two rounds: seventeen people (including myself) scored one or more of the post-Puffin titles. Jonathan Green's books were the most widely-read - specifically Bloodbones, Howl Of The Werewolf, and Night Of The Necromancer, all of which received sixteen ratings. The other three Wizard titles were scored by fourteen people; The Port Of Peril by twelve; The Gates Of Death received ten scores; Assassins Of Allansia had nine; and eight of us have decided the destiny of Crystal Of Storms - a low number, but still more than Clash Of The Princes. But did we find in their favour?
If you're Jonathan Green, then yes we did. The rest... oh dear. This Did Not Go Well.
This round had the lowest average score of all, down 13.8% on Round Seven, and barely over 50%. The most appreciative adventurer gave an average score that was 5.05 points higher than the grumpiest one's, and it's very noticeable that the averages were lower from the voters who rated the Scholastic era books.
There were a lot of 10/10s awarded in this round, but again, if you're not Jonathan Green, you didn't get any. Three books snaffled them all between them. There were just as many zeroes, too, and they also got shared out between three books, as we shall see...
Night Of The Necromancer proved to be the most controversial book in this round, with 8 points separating its highest and lowest scores. By contrast, those of us who voted for Howl Of The Werewolf and The Crystal Of Storms are pretty much of the same mind - only 3 points spanned the highest and lowest scores for Howl, and while Crystal's variance was slightly greater, only one outlier vote spoiled its record of Most Consistently Rated FF - without it, there would only be a single point between the highest and lowest scores awarded.
So what happened to Jonathan Green and Ian Livingstone's positions in the pantheon of FF writers? Well, let's just say the final positions look like this: Stephen Hand; Steven Williams; Peter Darvill-Evans; Paul Mason; Jamie Thomson; Steve Jackson UK; Jonathan Green; Steve Jackson US; Robin Waterfield; Keith Martin; Ian Livingstone; Andrew Chapman; Luke Sharp; Martin Allen.
But never mind all this. Which book came where, and by how much?
Stay Tuned.
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 0:51:07 GMT
How long will it take for observations and then a final result? About 35 minutes for the Observations.
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Post by The Count on Nov 19, 2020 0:58:52 GMT
The true path is well written for the most part, but it becomes very obvious when you take the wrong turn towards the end, the enforced friendship with a rival makes no sense and there are far too many humans just wandering round without a care in the world in this supposedly deadly dungeon. The Ninja teleports, assuming he doesn't find a secret door you can't access because you aren't allowed to go down two side passages because Ian decided you don't want to. The troll being named Ivy is stupid. Making a criticism of it is the equivalent of saying on twitter that the ugly boy band member wearing the ugly dress is attention seeking to make up for the sheer lack of talent. Some people just prefer different things after all. (*I don't actually dislike the book as a whole, I just find it horribly overrated and much prefer Trial of Champions). Are you a fan of Scorpion Swamp which I will confidently predict to be in pole position? The path is brutally direct but a lot of fun and the writing is really something special as it is with Caverns of the Snow Witch. The could not care less writing with Trial of Champions is apparent and I think the difficulty level is so severe to distract you from it. Is there a book where it is clear Ian could no longer care less about what he is doing and is just writing to order? Maybe that book is Trial? I think the name Ivy is there simply to make the terrible joke about poison Ivy. You raise a really interesting point about whether it is the premise that is so captivating and memorable but the actual execution is slightly lacking so it could be considered overrated from the point of view you are suggesting. Scorpion Swamp is one of my favourites despite being a bit too easy. It was in the 6th or 7th place tie earlier so won't be first. The writing in every Livingstone book aside from Crypt is rather banal and simplistic - I'd say he phoned it in with the post Puffin titles and to an extend Armies of Death, but can see why Trial and Temple seem like it if you have a favourable opinion of Deathtrap and Caverns. What elevates Trial for me is the fact you can take a wrong turn and not realise it until its too late which happens to me frequently.
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 1:14:33 GMT
77th: BLOOD OF THE ZOMBIES by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 14.28% This is the only book which no-one scored higher than a 5. It also earned five 0s - more than any other title. And rightly so! A rubbish way to celebrate FF's 30th anniversary.
76th: THE GATES OF DEATH by CHARLIE HIGSON. 24.00% I gave this one a 7. If I hadn't, it would be the only book with no ratings higher than a 4. It still wouldn't have come last, though. It was given three 0s.
75th: SKY LORD by MARTIN ALLEN. 29.17% The worst performing Puffin book by far. Four 0s awarded, and the only Puffin title which didn't get at least one 7.
74th: EYE OF THE DRAGON by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 34.29% Two voters gave this a 0.
73rd: THE PORT OF PERIL by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 36.67% This book didn't get any 0s, but it didn't get anything higher than a 6, either. Only Sky Lord, Blood Of The Zombies, and one other title failed to get any 7s or above.
72nd: CHASMS OF MALICE by LUKE SHARP. 38.67% The lowest ranking book to get a 10/10. Sadly, it only got the one, and it wasn't enough to balance out the three 0s and the landslide of other low numbers. One of three books to get both the highest and lowest marks possible.
71st: STARSHIP TRAVELLER by STEVE JACKSON (UK). 40.71% Apart from its solitary 0, all the scores awarded were odd numbers. Most... well, odd. Unfortunately, none of them were 9s.
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Post by The Count on Nov 19, 2020 1:28:35 GMT
77th: BLOOD OF THE ZOMBIES by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 14.28% This is the only book which no-one scored higher than a 5. It also earned five 0s - more than any other title. And rightly so! A rubbish way to celebrate FF's 30th anniversary. 76th: THE GATES OF DEATH by CHARLIE HIGSON. 24.00% I gave this one a 7. If I hadn't, it would be the only book with no ratings higher than a 4. It still wouldn't have come last, though. It was given three 0s. 75th: SKY LORD by MARTIN ALLEN. 29.17% The worst performing Puffin book by far. Four 0s awarded, and the only Puffin title which didn't get at least one 7. 74th: EYE OF THE DRAGON by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 34.29% Two voters gave this a 0. 73rd: THE PORT OF PERIL by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 36.67% This book didn't get any 0s, but it didn't get anything higher than a 6, either. Only Sky Lord, Blood Of The Zombies, and one other title failed to get any 7s or above. 72nd: CHASMS OF MALICE by LUKE SHARP. 38.67% The lowest ranking book to get a 10/10. Sadly, it only got the one, and it wasn't enough to balance out the three 0s and the landslide of other low numbers. One of three books to get both the highest and lowest marks possible. 71st: STARSHIP TRAVELLER by STEVE JACKSON (UK). 40.71% Apart from its solitary 0, all the scores awarded were odd numbers. Most... well, odd. Unfortunately, none of them were 9s. I agree with most of these rankings, though the sheer insanity of Sky Lord makes it enjoyable so would have liked to see it a bit higher. Chasms does not belong this low. #JusticeForChasmsOfMalice!
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 1:40:43 GMT
I probably won't have much to say that's statistically interesting (are statistics ever interesting?) about the books in the middle, btw. 70th: ARMIES OF DEATH by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 41.33% Received a high score of 7 and a low score of 1. I'll admit to being the 1. 69th: ASSASSINS OF ALLANSIA by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 42.22% It's really not going well for Scholastic, is it? Three of their four original titles are in the bottom ten. Scores also varied between 7 and 1, but this time I was at the other end of the spectrum - the sole 7 was from me. 68th: STAR STRIDER by LUKE SHARP. 42.50% And again, scores ranged from 7 down to 1. I rated this a 7, too, only this time I wasn't the only one... 67th: FANGS OF FURY by LUKE SHARP. 46.36% And yet again, I find myself at an extreme end of the voting. A low score of 1 (guilty) was matched by a high score of 8. Scores were all over the shop for this one - voters either loved it or hated it, with very few scored in the mid-range. 66th: CLASH OF THE PRINCES: THE WARRIOR'S WAY by ANDREW CHAPMAN and MARTIN ALLEN. 46.67% Very consistent voting, with both Clash books scoring 5s, 6s and 7s from everybody... apart from the one voter who gave both books 0s and wrecked their average scores considerably. Would probably have done better if more people had voted for it. 65th: LEGEND OF ZAGOR by IAN LIVINGSTONE KEITH MARTIN. 46.92% Was tied with Crypt of the Sorcerer for quite a while, until a late vote gave Razaak the edge. Razaak is notoriously difficult to defeat, of course, although 63 other books managed it...
64th: CRYPT OF THE SORCERER by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 47.50% Don't blame me, Vagsancho - I gave it an 8! And two people awarded it a perfect 10, too. Unfortunately, two more gave it 1s, and the vast majority of voters gave it 5 or less.
63rd: CLASH OF THE PRINCES: THE WARLOCK'S WAY by ANDREW CHAPMAN and MARTIN ALLEN. 48.33% Two voters preferred Clovis to Lothar; two more preferred Lothar to Clovis.
62nd: BATTLEBLADE WARRIOR by MARC GASCOIGNE. 48.46% A couple of stray low votes among a majority of 5s and 6s.
61st: CRYSTAL OF STORMS by RHIANNA PRATCHETT. 48.75% The final book which netted nothing above a 6. Everyone gave this a 5 or a 6, but as with the Clash books, a stray low vote (in this case a 2) made a big difference with a small pool of responders. And here endeth the Scholastic era, with not a single title in the Top 60.
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Post by The Count on Nov 19, 2020 2:04:34 GMT
I'm surprised to see Fangs so low. More surprised that someone other than Vagsancho gave Crypt a 10!
What would Clash of the Princes have scored if I hadn't voted?
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:07:54 GMT
I've underestimated the time it takes me to go through these, and sooner or later I'm going to need to restore some STAMINA. I'll get as far as I can with these in the morning, but my day job might mean the business end of the Rankings gets delayed until tomorrow night...
60th: FIGHTING FANTASY: THE ROLEPLAYING GAME by STEVE JACKSON (UK). 49.00% I appear to be the only fan of this one. My 8 was the highest score it got.
57th: SPACE ASSASSIN by ANDREW CHAPMAN. 50.00% 57th: FREEWAY FIGHTER by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 50.00% 57th: DEATHMOOR by ROBIN WATERFIELD. 50.00% The first tie, and the only three-way one. Space Assassin's high and low scores of 8 and 2 are a lot more respectable than the other two books managed. However, it received three 2s and only one 8. Neither of the others scored above a 7, and both were given a 0; otherwise, the votes were mostly in the mid-range.
56th: REVENGE OF THE VAMPIRE by KEITH MARTIN. 50.91% A very controversial title attracting a wide range of scores from 0 to 9. No consensus at all about this one.
55th: CURSE OF THE MUMMY by JONATHAN GREEN. 53.08% Mostly 5s, 6s, and 7s, with a couple of stray low scores, and a solitary 9. Such a pity that Martin McKenna's best artwork is in such low ranking books as these and Legend Of Zagor.
54th: DAGGERS OF DARKNESS by LUKE SHARP. 54.17% Scores ranged between 2 and 9, with most in the mid-range.
53rd: THE RINGS OF KETHER by ANDREW CHAPMAN. 54.67% Not particularly loved or hated; all bar two people gave this a 5, 6, or 7.
52nd: RETURN TO FIRETOP MOUNTAIN by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 55.00% Was given mostly mid-range scores until the last minute, when someone gave it a 1 and sent it well below Seas Of Blood, with which it was tied for quite a while. Notably, this is the highest scoring Ian Livingstone book since the green zigzags were dispensed with. Again, with Martin McKenna at his best, it's a pity it didn't rank higher.
51st: THE FOREST OF DOOM by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 56.00% I was very surprised this book scored so low. Don't you lot like the easy ones? There's enough complaints that certain books are too difficult, after all, and this was one of the iconic early titles, too. Oh well. A high of 8, a low of 1, and the last six voters in Round One all gave it a 6!
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:10:34 GMT
What would Clash of the Princes have scored if I hadn't voted? 56.00% and 58.00%. They would be at 48th and 52nd= position.
Please don't anyone else ask me any What Ifs!
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Post by The Count on Nov 19, 2020 2:21:35 GMT
This is getting a lot more interesting - without context, I assume it was the writing and artwork that kept Curse so high.
I suspect that Revenge would have scored higher if it didn't contain so many errors, I would have given it at least one more if the gold piece issue was sorted.
I'd like Forest more if you couldn't nonsensically walk all the way round to the start to pick up multiples of a unique hammer handle.
Sorry, I wasn't going to vote for Clash as I've not read them for a long time and have no desire to revisit them ever so was slightly curious.
Great job so far!
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Post by peasantscribbler on Nov 19, 2020 2:28:33 GMT
Ah man, I think I may have given Blood of the Zombies its highest score. And I was worried that I might have been too hard on it.
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:47:33 GMT
One more set before I retire for the night. Top Forty to follow tomorrow.
50th: KEEP OF THE LICH-LORD by DAVE MORRIS and JAMIE THOMSON. 56.92% Neither loved not hated, this one scored consistently between 4 and 7. Except for me - I think it's a terribly pointless book because you can just walk straight to the keep and defeat the Lich-Lord with minimal resistance. I gave it a 1. Only two other people voted lower than 6.
49th: SEAS OF BLOOD by ANDREW CHAPMAN. 57.14% Another consistently performing title; apart from an outlier of 2, this book received mostly mid-range scores.
48th: ROBOT COMMANDO by STEVE JACKSON (US). 57.33% A lot of voters quite like this (it had a high score of 8 from four people) and a lot are left a bit cold by it (lots of 4s, too, and a couple of lower numbers), but no extreme scores, and few mid-range ones. Watered-down Marmite.
47th: KNIGHTS OF DOOM by JONATHAN GREEN. 59.09% Tied with Spellbreaker for ages and ages. I adore the early Jon Green books, and I'm surprised they didn't rank higher. His prose and his world-building are exceptional, and you certainly get a lot of story for your 400 paragraphs. If only the dice rolls were fairer, I'm convinced Knights and Breaker would be all-time greats. This opinion flies in the face of the evidence, though - there's a couple of 1s and 2s on the board, and three voters balanced them with 9s (myself included). A very wide range of scores was given, though, and there's no consensus as to whether this is good, bad, or average. Definitely a book for which assigning mere scores is too reductive an analysis, as one voter would (and did) say.
46th: SPELLBREAKER by JONATHAN GREEN. 59.29% Less controversial, with more mid-range scores and nothing below a 3. In fact, this is the lowest-ranked book *not* to score a 2 or less from anyone.
45th: MIDNIGHT ROGUE by GRAEME DAVIS. 60.77% Mostly scored between 6 and 8. I think the gameplay in this one is woeful, and rated it just 2, but my score is very much an outlier.
44th: STEALER OF SOULS by KEITH MARTIN. 61.54% A low of 3; a high of 8; otherwise everyone gave this between 5 and 7. Another book that's neither loved nor loathed.
43rd: THE WARLOCK OF FIRETOP MOUNTAIN by STEVE JACKSON (UK) and IAN LIVINGSTONE. 61.88% The iconic original. It may have invented the form, but others built on it and perfected it. Extremely consistent scoring indeed, with everyone giving it between 5 and 7, until the very last entrant in Round One awarded it a high of 8.
42nd: CAVERNS OF THE SNOW WITCH by IAN LIVINGSTONE. 62.67% Another consistent performer, scoring mostly 7s, though its high of 9 and low of 2 make it one of the more divisive books in the first ten. I assume its iconic status is countered by its gameplay issues. Caverns holds a special place for me, because it was the first FF I had, and the second I read. I still only gave it a 7, though. I'm mean.
41st: ISLAND OF THE UNDEAD by KEITH MARTIN. 62.73% Another book that scored mostly 7s, with a couple of low scores and an atypical 10. Only two books below this have scored 10s (Crypt had two; Chasms had one), and 10s are very much outliers in all three cases. The next book also has a 10, though, and that book is...
...going to be revealed in the morning. Good night!
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:48:54 GMT
Ah man, I think I may have given Blood of the Zombies its highest score. And I was worried that I might have been too hard on it. No-one else gave it more than 3!
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:52:49 GMT
How is possible for someone to not like Deathtrap Dungeon??? Spoiler Alert: It isn't!
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Post by Wilf on Nov 19, 2020 2:54:53 GMT
I predict: Howl of the Werewolf will be third. or at least was when Wilf asked us to guess what was third. No-one will correctly predict third place, I'm sure of it.
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Post by vagsancho on Nov 19, 2020 7:21:20 GMT
I'm surprised to see Fangs so low. More surprised that someone other than Vagsancho gave Crypt a 10! It is a perfect fighting fantasy gamebook. The masterpiece.
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