vagsancho
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Favourite Gamebook Series: CRYPT OF THE SORCERER
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Post by vagsancho on Jun 3, 2016 4:48:59 GMT
Zagor was great. Xakhaz was spectacular. Xakhaz had power, ambition, desire for greatness and superiority of instinct. But Razaak, besides all that, in his eyes had solitude and wisdom. But I say this, and you laugh ...
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Post by hynreck on Jun 3, 2016 12:15:49 GMT
Have you tried not saying it?
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sylas
Baron
"Don't just adventure for treasure; treasure the adventure!"
Posts: 1,678
Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy, Way of the Tiger
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Post by sylas on Jun 3, 2016 18:35:07 GMT
I was long past the laughing stage.
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Post by hynreck on Jun 3, 2016 19:12:45 GMT
Yes, for my part I'm more in the "very sad" stage.
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Post by offm on Jun 4, 2016 22:40:40 GMT
Vagsancho ,you put / say things on the most unusual way that's all but Jesus who is Jesus had people who didn't like him.
Sent from my SUNSET2 using proboards
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Post by a moderator on Jun 6, 2016 20:41:37 GMT
Just a polite reminder to certain posters that the rules for this forum forbid Feel free to express differences of opinion regarding the quality of Crypt (or any other gamebook, for that matter), but avoid rudeness when disagreeing.
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sylas
Baron
"Don't just adventure for treasure; treasure the adventure!"
Posts: 1,678
Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy, Way of the Tiger
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Post by sylas on Jun 6, 2016 21:25:11 GMT
many double sixes were rolled against Will.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Jun 6, 2016 21:45:55 GMT
many double sixes were rolled against Will. Are you talking about Night Of The Necromancer? Completely baffled.(translate Offm?)
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Post by a moderator on Jun 6, 2016 22:40:34 GMT
many double sixes were rolled against Will. Any further failed Will rolls may result in adventures here ending. And I'd much rather that that not become necessary.
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Post by offm on Jun 7, 2016 1:14:22 GMT
many double sixes were rolled against Will. Are you talking about Night Of The Necromancer? Completely baffled.(translate Offm?) I am a bit confused really, ( I am not an admin here but vagsancho sayings makes people feud against him, including myself) that's just my thoughts on this matter anyway feel free to disagree Sent from my SUNSET2 using proboards
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Post by hynreck on Jun 7, 2016 12:38:49 GMT
You can feud but don't be rude! ^_^
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Post by philsadler on Jun 7, 2016 13:07:48 GMT
We must do all we can to curb freedom of speech, just like the filth in the government.
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Post by a moderator on Jun 7, 2016 15:11:28 GMT
The forum rules are easily accessible to non-members, so you had plenty of opportunity to read them before signing up. If you disapproved of the restrictions on insulting other forum members, there was nothing preventing you from creating your own forum with blackjack and h no restrictions on name-calling, mockery and general impudence.
There's a certain irony to invoking 'freedom of speech' in defence of actions that are a hostile response to somebody expressing an unpopular opinion.
Now, this thread is supposed to be for discussing Ian Livingstone's most unplayable gamebook. If you want to complain about forum rules, moderator actions, or anything else related to this tangent, I suggest that you create a thread in the 'Forum info' section.
So, any theories as to the identity of the Rad-Hulks' enigmatic master, as mentioned in section 3?
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Post by The Editor (Alex B) on Jun 26, 2016 1:20:44 GMT
The forum rules are easily accessible to non-members, so you had plenty of opportunity to read them before signing up. If you disapproved of the restrictions on insulting other forum members, there was nothing preventing you from creating your own forum with blackjack and h no restrictions on name-calling, mockery and general impudence. There's a certain irony to invoking 'freedom of speech' in defence of actions that are a hostile response to somebody expressing an unpopular opinion. Now, this thread is supposed to be for discussing Ian Livingstone's most unplayable gamebook. If you want to complain about forum rules, moderator actions, or anything else related to this tangent, I suggest that you create a thread in the 'Forum info' section. So, any theories as to the identity of the Rad-Hulks' enigmatic master, as mentioned in section 3? Nicely done, especially the Futurama reference!
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Post by offm on Dec 9, 2016 14:55:33 GMT
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on May 1, 2017 22:15:47 GMT
The ideal route has been slightly amended so is it possible to enter the new route into the percentage programme to see if it alters the 0.3% at all.
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Post by champskees on May 4, 2017 9:43:25 GMT
The ideal route has been slightly amended so is it possible to enter the new route into the percentage programme to see if it alters the 0.3% at all. It will most certainly improve a 12/24/12's chances. But I don't really have time to update it right now, will try to make time within the next couple of months.
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nicodemus
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Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy and Sorcery!
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Post by nicodemus on Sept 18, 2017 13:25:58 GMT
Regarding the quality, I have to say that this book is indeed one of the best Ian Livinstone's works in the narrative aspect. Deathtrap and City of Thieves are amazing for its atmosphere, gameplay and even the feeling it creates in exploring the dungeon or the corner of the city, but Crypt of Sorcerer is original, well written and has some nice elements that enrich the adventure. I'm just regarding the literature. Because overall Crypt isn't better that DD or CoT.
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Post by thealmightymudworm on Jan 5, 2018 18:01:22 GMT
Man On Twitter Claims To Have Completed Crypt Of The Sorcerer(Picture for those who can't see tweets) Obviously this is totally unproven and wouldn't be headline news for most of the books, but still.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Jan 5, 2018 19:40:24 GMT
If that is the page of the 'real' achievement the luck score does not look(pun intended)right?
A 12/24/12 start means you lose -3 luck on the standard route and then you arrive at Razaak where, on my system at least, you have 3 luck to use for extra damage.
Is the 'real' page of notes there to read? I think Khaxan(?) was plausible when she(?) said it took her three to fours months to complete a proper attempt. This seems plausible when the amended route without the chameleonite blood might be around 1% and that is with 12/24/12.
The posted picture above shows 12/21/10 which is low by this books standards. Maximum luck helps to chip away Razaak before he matches you either blow for blow or the insane two round win destroys you. He does show a final stamina of 10 so if he was at maximum stamina of 21 or say 20 he only lost 5 rounds to Razaak? Plausible? In fact his stats are virtually identical to Razaak barring at that point an extra luck point to use for damage so he loses 5 rounds but wins 8 normal rounds plus one extra damage round(possibly) plus none of those lost rounds were consecutive.
It is hard to read but he shows the last two entries as 6 then 10 for stamina? Why take a tot at this time when 6 stamina guarantees victory?
Losing 3 luck points at discrete intervals is fishy as well? What about the additions to luck? What about the -3 luck so implies he fights the Gargantis and still has 4 tots left at the end? I am inclined to only believe Khaxan as that sounded plausible.
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Post by lordomnibok on Jan 6, 2018 17:30:30 GMT
Someone once told me that Crypt of the Sorcerer was the only ff book that they ever completed without cheating because the game play was so fair... (I would have loved Phil to have been there.) I chuckled internally and assumed that they had never really read it. But I am not completely sceptical of all claims of victory. I once watched my girlfriend comfortably win about eight rounds in a row against an opponent of equal skill; she had insane luck on every roll and she went into the fight with something like 2 stam and won easily. It was ridiculous, so I concluded that maybe it was possible to defeat ol' Razza after all, if the moment was right. But if the chqp in question did complete it he should definitely get a letter from the queen or something. I'm sure that more people reach 100 than win fairly at this book.
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sylas
Baron
"Don't just adventure for treasure; treasure the adventure!"
Posts: 1,678
Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy, Way of the Tiger
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Post by sylas on Jan 6, 2018 18:53:09 GMT
I have beaten this book so many times on my first attempt without cheating or losing.
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Post by lordomnibok on Jan 6, 2018 23:31:32 GMT
I'll PM the queen
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kieran
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Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy
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Post by kieran on Jan 8, 2018 12:51:15 GMT
If that is the page of the 'real' achievement the luck score does not look(pun intended)right? It is hard to read but he shows the last two entries as 6 then 10 for stamina? Why take a tot at this time when 6 stamina guarantees victory? I suppose he might have taken a tot after the final battle, not knowing how much Stamina he'd need for the endgame?
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Post by champskees on Jan 9, 2018 3:23:56 GMT
The recent conversation prompted me to complete the analysis for this adventure. fightingfantazine.proboards.com/thread/106/26-crypt-sorcerer-solutionRemember the numbers are rounded to the nearest 0.1, so it looks better than what it actually is. When the excel file is updated the cells will have the actual percentiles in them so you can click for the specific amount. With 12/21/10, we would be smack bang between 12/18/10 and 12/24/10, which are .187 and .253 respectively. So i'd say he had ~.2 chance (1 in 500). 12/24/12 has approximately 0.453% chance of success (1 in 220?).
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Jan 9, 2018 13:38:41 GMT
I am surprised 12/14/7 has about 1/1000 chance of success. Anyone want to give this a go especially if you do not understand the difference between mysticism and philosophy? Keep trying and only come back when you have achieved this.
I am also surprised 12/24/12 has about 1/200 chance of success. I would still call this backbreaking labour yet it is in the realms of possibility. Khaxan seems plausible.
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Post by thealmightymudworm on Jan 16, 2018 19:52:05 GMT
If that is the page of the 'real' achievement the luck score does not look(pun intended)right? A 12/24/12 start means you lose -3 luck on the standard route and then you arrive at Razaak where, on my system at least, you have 3 luck to use for extra damage. Is the 'real' page of notes there to read? I think Khaxan(?) was plausible when she(?) said it took her three to fours months to complete a proper attempt. This seems plausible when the amended route without the chameleonite blood might be around 1% and that is with 12/24/12. The posted picture above shows 12/21/10 which is low by this books standards. Maximum luck helps to chip away Razaak before he matches you either blow for blow or the insane two round win destroys you. He does show a final stamina of 10 so if he was at maximum stamina of 21 or say 20 he only lost 5 rounds to Razaak? Plausible? In fact his stats are virtually identical to Razaak barring at that point an extra luck point to use for damage so he loses 5 rounds but wins 8 normal rounds plus one extra damage round(possibly) plus none of those lost rounds were consecutive. It is hard to read but he shows the last two entries as 6 then 10 for stamina? Why take a tot at this time when 6 stamina guarantees victory? Losing 3 luck points at discrete intervals is fishy as well? What about the additions to luck? What about the -3 luck so implies he fights the Gargantis and still has 4 tots left at the end? I am inclined to only believe Khaxan as that sounded plausible. I can't really respond to most of this as I don't own the book or have any more info on the tweeter. However I can confirm Khaxzan, who is Tammy, is female and is intending to be active around here again (and possibly contributing something to the Fighting Fantasy Project) soon, so you could ask her how that came about. To be honest I'd be a bit surprised if she won Crypt by the rules (I mean extra surprised) as I'm sure she mentioned ditching the dice for FF books early on after encountering Deathtrap Dungeon. I have beaten this book so many times on my first attempt without cheating or losing. I'm sure a lot of people have beaten the book many times. Indeed I doubt many copies exist that are not marked by knuckle-prints.
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vagsancho
Knight
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Favourite Gamebook Series: CRYPT OF THE SORCERER
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Post by vagsancho on May 10, 2019 19:16:52 GMT
I've died today in crypt of the sorcerer. Killed by that monsters in that cave. God! How I hate to loose in a fighting fantasy book. How horrible. How awful. f**k f**k f**k!!!!!!! A feeling of total wasting of life!! f**k this world!!!
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Post by a moderator on May 12, 2019 0:20:30 GMT
If failing a gamebook gets you that frustrated, Crypt really isn't the book for you.
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vagsancho
Knight
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Favourite Gamebook Series: CRYPT OF THE SORCERER
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Post by vagsancho on May 17, 2019 13:45:20 GMT
Ive died today killed by that giant golem. How I hate to loose a fighting fantasy book. A very strong and painful feeling of wasting life. f**k! f**k! f**k! f**k this world!!!!!!!!!!!!
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