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Post by CharlesX on May 4, 2024 14:37:34 GMT
It is quite saddening that, for example, movie studios are now using AI to create posters (Civil War being the current example that come to mind with its photo realistic beauty but geographic errors) and in-movie still images such as in Late Night with the Devil. I can see the appeal for the studios, there must be huge cost and time savings, getting near instant art in the style you want with hardly any effort. They'll be replacing the actors and actresses one day, too. For the same reasons. What's to stop them? At least it will spare us the 'spectacle' of the Oscars year on year. It is amazing how little time and skill is involved in creating these pieces of ‘art’. Sometimes I take modern technology for granted. Is this all a good thing? ... the skilled artists who were previously hired to design these posters (and my walls were adorned with some fantastic ones in my youth) are no longer required and have less potential work and less motivation to become artists in the first place. 🙁 I don't want skilled artists to disappear any more than you do, but I don't know what we are to do about it. Having said that, AI art must be very useful for a self-publishing independent creator of gamebooks just starting out in the field, with no money to pay for artwork. I think illustrations are a fundamental part of gamebooks. In fact I wish MORE fiction was illustrated, across the board. Time will tell whether AI art does indeed replace manmade art, and computer-made 'actors' replace human ones. I've a feeling, at least for a while, it will be like VR\Occulus Rift* or Ebooks where they have a strong following but their older opponents continue to easily outsell them. I've no idea how far technology has moved on - it probably has passed this point - but does anyone remember Disney's attempts to recreate the late Princess Leia? That's the problem with this technology, we're at a very basic stage where it can't replicate images or get the numbers of fingers or hands right. So, it has to get this 'common sense' level, then entire layers more, before its close to competitive.
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Post by paperexplorer on May 6, 2024 11:39:35 GMT
Okay I think the AI had a big weekend and may be still in recovery mode from the evidence of my attempts today. I thought this would be an easy one. Ref 226, Masks of Mayhem. Moonlit scene of a lake, campfire, tentacles... not to hard, right? What on earth, they are growing like trees in a line in the water. What sort of creature would have them like that... and there's 14 of them. I only ordered 6. Despite multiple attempts, it couldn't get neither the number of tentacles right, nor could I get anything that could look logically like coming from the one beast. Time for a new angle. Let's tell the AI it's a kraken. Ye gods, I've summoned cthulhu! And what's going on down there by the fireside? Do they not see the giant cosmic horror? Heeellloooo, time to start running people. Okay, clearly the AI definition of a kraken is not working. Let's try giant octopus instead. Ah yes, the creature is looking much better now.... but what in the damn hell is it doing in the tree? Nobody warned me about tree krakens. No wonder this thing snuck up on me while I was sleeping. I bet I see the spirits of squirrels after defeating it. Sigh. Okay, maybe where I wrote "coming out of the water" the AI just read "out of the water", so let's try rewriting that a little...
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Post by paperexplorer on May 6, 2024 11:46:11 GMT
And now it's levitating. Sigh. At least now I know how it got into the tree. And look, another calm onlooker. And lots of random calamari floating around it. AI clearly went ultra realistic on this one. Okay, one last try... Oh I give up. It's close enough, isn't it? I mean, I got it in the water. A bit. That counts. So much for a simple picture...
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Post by Per on May 6, 2024 12:26:28 GMT
Did you explicitly tell it to do orange and azure?
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Post by paperexplorer on May 6, 2024 21:31:57 GMT
"Night scene"
At least it was consistent in the interpretation I suppose.
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Post by Per on May 6, 2024 23:16:28 GMT
I guess it just shows the trends in the training material. I thought there might be some kind of forum game here where we make images using the same free model and some additional constraint or two, then try to guess where it's from. It just seems pretty hard to make something recognizable, for instance with Stable Diffusion, which I realize is not state of the art: Prompt: "Inside a tent, a portly bearded merchant is gesturing invitingly towards the left, where his wares are displayed among a clutter of chests. Among the wares are a key, a mirror, a scarab, a flute, an egg and a bracelet. In monochrome ink style."
I had to remove the facemask from the list of items because it kept rendering two figures! I don't know if that was responsible for the time the merchant got merged with a stack of chests, though.
Also if someone finds it noteworthy that the merchant is gesturing to his left, this was just random across all the images rendered. Prompt: "A young man facing the viewer and wearing a tunic is pulling his tunic open with both hands, revealing an amulet hanging around his neck. From the amulet comes a beam of bright light towards the bottom of the image. The young man casts a huge shadow on the stone wall behind him. In black and white ink style."
It may be revealing that the third arm does not stop this from probably being the best I got after at least a hundred attempts and a number of variations of the prompt, some of which had bizarre effects. Thinking at first "tunic" might be too exotic, I tried "robes", resulting in endless images of boys posing strangely in baggy robes. Changing it to "shirt" invariably created people wearing nothing on their upper body. Also "black and white" instead of "monochrome" was my attempt to get rid of the greyscales that seemed to come automatically with this prompt, but it didn't work. Probably I suck at writing prompts though.
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on May 8, 2024 17:59:58 GMT
I thought there might be some kind of forum game here where we make images using the same free model and some additional constraint or two, then try to guess where it's from. That is a good idea. And one that it going to result in quite a lot of amusement by the look of it.
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Post by paperexplorer on May 10, 2024 7:36:32 GMT
I think making a game of it could be fun. I didn't get either of the above. I learnt a new learning bias today: barbarians all have beards. Apparently. Anyway, beard aside, this should be a familiar character:
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Post by Per on May 10, 2024 15:15:58 GMT
If anyone wants to give it a shot (here or in a dedidated thread), I used this version of Stable Diffusion. The demo on the Stable Diffusion Online page should use a more recent model but you now need to register to use it, which I just find to be a pain. My preference would be to try to make images in the traditional FF ink style rather than airbrushes and such. When creating images for RPG purposes I've typically appended "in woodcut style" or something similar, since it tends to give me more of the type of image I'm looking for, but of course this also influences what the model's got to work with and it's quite possible there are many better ways, e.g. "black and white fantasy book illustration style" may work. Just don't tell it to do "children's book illustration style" - it'll report you to the FBI.
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Post by Wizard Slayer on May 13, 2024 8:34:02 GMT
My preference would be to try to make images in the traditional FF ink style rather than airbrushes and such...but of course this also influences what the model's got to work with... You might find it better to let it do its thing and then convert it to ink after, e.g. to take a couple of examples from here: (Done using Lunapic.)
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Post by Pete Byrdie on May 13, 2024 9:24:04 GMT
That makes a huge difference. I could mistake those for FF illustrations. It's long enough ago since I saw the Master of Spiders illustration, if I'd seen that version I'd assume it was the one from the book.
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Post by paperexplorer on May 21, 2024 1:25:17 GMT
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Post by CharlesX on May 22, 2024 11:08:12 GMT
Weird the AI got the monster size spot on but made Bronski's chainsaw look like an electric carving knife.
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Post by aggsol on May 31, 2024 17:10:02 GMT
My preference would be to try to make images in the traditional FF ink style rather than airbrushes and such...but of course this also influences what the model's got to work with... You might find it better to let it do its thing and then convert it to ink after, e.g. to take a couple of examples from here: (Done using Lunapic.) Which function of lunapic did you use?
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Post by Wizard Slayer on Jun 3, 2024 7:51:51 GMT
Which function of lunapic did you use? Under the 'Art' menu, a number of the settings give good effects: Sketch2, Scribble, Pen, Escher and Smoke seem to give the best results. Sometimes it's better to first convert the image using Black & White under Effects. A couple of other Effects can also give good...um...effects!
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Post by paperexplorer on Jun 7, 2024 8:25:38 GMT
Hi, me again, the Silver Crusader, just sharing some pictures of my latest escapades in keeping Titan City safe. Here's me saving beach goers from a deadly shark. As you can see, I'm really enjoying zapping this ripper shark with my energy blast. I absolutely decimated this deadly predator, making the beach safe once again. I still can't understand why more people weren't grateful. Oh, and here's a gang I came across in a department store. Nices kids. One even told me tge date, which was handy as i don't own a calendar. Anyway, at first I thought these fire warriors were going to smash up the place, but it turned out they just wanted a dance battle. Oh and finally here's me saving the day at the football. Bad shot there, not sure how I missed from that range, must have been a bad roll. Anyway, that's me for now, must dash, I have an appointment I need to get to.
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Post by Wizard Slayer on Jun 7, 2024 9:39:32 GMT
Hi, me again, the Silver Crusader, just sharing some pictures of my latest escapades in keeping Titan City safe. Here's me saving beach goers from a deadly shark. As you can see, I'm really enjoying zapping this ripper shark with my energy blast. I absolutely decimated this deadly predator, making the beach safe once again. I still can't understand why more people weren't grateful. View AttachmentThis picture is just ridiculously funny!
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Post by paperexplorer on Jul 12, 2024 7:58:16 GMT
Ishtra?
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Post by paperexplorer on Jul 12, 2024 8:00:45 GMT
Ishtra balancing a tiny goat on his nose?
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Post by paperexplorer on Jul 20, 2024 5:15:29 GMT
What part of Rebel Planet was this scene?
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Post by Pete Byrdie on Jul 20, 2024 8:06:43 GMT
It's pretty cool. It'll be a problem with AI for a while yet that if you have a very specific fantasy or sci-fi world to illustrate, AI can only give you fairly generic images. I'm sure in time more complex user interface will be created beyond simply trying to get everything you want from a simple text description. But a giant alien sword-wielding lizardman still rocks.
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Post by paperexplorer on Jul 30, 2024 8:01:01 GMT
Slight side tangent, but in line with some of the AI chat above, our company is looking to fill a junior role and while reviewing responses to a questionnaire, I am confident in saying that 2 candidates clearly used AI to help write their responses. Badly. One rambled in a strange way redefining our company values, but the second wrote one of the most batshit responses I have ever seen to an interview question. All they were asked to do was to write a letter to their supervisor identifying a problem and giving possible solutions. Easy right? Well this answer went on to suggest the employee responsible for the problem be let go and that the CEO issue a public apology. Completely bonkers, with this strange line:
We must act accordingly that can counteract this act of display.
Indeed. Use AI at your own peril kids.
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Post by CharlesX on Jul 30, 2024 15:15:33 GMT
Slight side tangent, but in line with some of the AI chat above, our company is looking to fill a junior role and while reviewing responses to a questionnaire, I am confident in saying that 2 candidates clearly used AI to help write their responses. Badly. One rambled in a strange way redefining our company values, but the second wrote one of the most batshit responses I have ever seen to an interview question. All they were asked to do was to write a letter to their supervisor identifying a problem and giving possible solutions. Easy right? Well this answer went on to suggest the employee responsible for the problem be let go and that the CEO issue a public apology. Completely bonkers, with this strange line: We must act accordingly that can counteract this act of display. Indeed. Use AI at your own peril kids. From what I can tell AI chat is quite good at saying smaller, generalised things but tends to ramble, and pad, like a below-average 1st-year undergrad. Companies and universities don't want a fifth-rate b*llsh*tter or even a mediocre narrator, and we're not at that stage yet. This still fools a lot of people sometimes, I can imagine some company with a failing business model reading those responses and reckoning "thinks outside the box" etc.
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Post by scouserob on Jul 30, 2024 21:45:06 GMT
Just re-reading the old Judge Dredd stories from the 80s and came across Kenny Who? A pretty spot on satire for AI artwork considering it was released back in 1986.
A few quotes: ‘I’m an artist!’ … ‘So what? We got plenty of Robots to draw our pictures.’
‘The art robots can draw in any style … pages come out in less than a minute’, ‘That’s not art!’, ‘But it’s cheap!’
‘I took the liberty of feeding your art into one of our machines. With enough input they can mimic any style.’ … ‘It’s outright theft! It’s got to be illegal!’, ‘Not at all. We stole none of your drawings, merely copied your style - and artists have been doing that since the dawn of time.’
Anyhow poor Jimmy doesn’t take this appropriation well and ends up on the wrong side of the law and old Dredd.
(Read in: Judge Dredd: The Complete Case Files 10.)
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Jul 31, 2024 7:13:33 GMT
Just re-reading the old Judge Dredd stories from the 80s and came across Kenny Who? A pretty spot on satire for AI artwork considering it was released back in 1986. (Read in: Judge Dredd: The Complete Case Files 10.) I'll look out for this. Another example of 2000AD/Judge Dredd prophesying the future.
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Post by paperexplorer on Aug 2, 2024 2:39:46 GMT
That's incredibly insightful from Judge Dredd, particularly considering that AIs now are specifically designed to emulate art styles. There must be a level of patent/intellectual property on what they can do (copilot no longer allows me to use celebrity images in generated images for example), but protections for artists should be in play. Anyway, here's what Master of Spiders would look like in a pixar film And here's his anime version
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Post by philsadler on Aug 11, 2024 19:37:10 GMT
What AI do you all use? I tried co-pilot and many others, most of which were only free for a while and most of which gave ridiculous drawings to my simple prompts (asked for a screaming woman with four faces and it gave me five smiling women). Copilot said it could give nothing because it was inappropriate. Of course, I was trying to get the Mirror Demon.
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Post by paperexplorer on Aug 18, 2024 1:17:56 GMT
I've been using copilot and openart.ai
I've had a fair few image requests rejected for violating copilot rules as well, notably the Serpent Queen from City of Thieves and interestingly Razaak, whose description I took directly from the book. Copilot also won't do dead bodies.
Because they pull from existing art, it's very difficult to get images that require imagination so I'm not surprised that the mirror demon didn't work. My own attempts at a bloodbeast have been phenomenal failures. It sometimes requires a fair bit of patience, trial and error to get it right.
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Post by philsadler on Aug 18, 2024 1:45:30 GMT
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Post by philsadler on Aug 18, 2024 1:47:11 GMT
The Whirlwind(?) and the Treasure Golem.
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