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Post by misomiso on Mar 22, 2022 22:59:57 GMT
Is there a list of all the items you should have in your invenetory at the end of all four books IF you do a completionist route? Would be good to see EVEYRTHING you can get if you visit everything you can.
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Post by vastariner on Mar 23, 2022 10:23:55 GMT
Gets complicated by the correct route having to go via Fenestra, which means lots of potential swopsies.
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Post by misomiso on Apr 14, 2022 18:47:07 GMT
Ok got it. Still is there a list of everything WITHOUT taking into account of Fenestra?
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Post by misomiso on Feb 5, 2023 18:58:55 GMT
Can you finish the book just going in blind? As in not doing any of the previous 3 books?
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Post by CharlesX on Feb 5, 2023 19:06:27 GMT
Can you finish the book just going in blind? As in not doing any of the previous 3 books? Yes, I've done it myself, it's designed so it can be completed without equipment from previous entries in both Wizard and Warrior, and Champskees solution above specifies nothing you have to get from previous books. Notice how (in the solution) the Wizard is given several useful spell artefacts near the start. Obviously it's a touch harder stats-wise, without the beneficial items from previous Sorcery! entries, but it is easy at this point (quite possibly even too easy) if you have done the previous Sorcery! books. I don't have Sorcery! 4 with me, so, perhaps someone else could mention things like how you get past the guard without the locket and the creature without the glass vial of liquid, both from previous books, as I recall there are harder but not impossible routes.
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Post by scouserob on Feb 6, 2023 10:24:37 GMT
I'm in the very early stages of mapping the Crown of Kings, which is a rather daunting project.
There are so many secret references and loops back (some quite huge) that I am more than a little concerned that I will eventually get deep into the map only to have to tear it all up to go back and fit in some secret paragraphs due perhaps to the big time loop back shenanigans.
If anyone could pre-warn me of these I'd be grateful. 
I've already clocked that:
Using the ZED spell can send you back to paragraphs 102,539 and 321.
(Perhaps some information gleaned down the road will open up some secret paragraphs for these?)
As I am now at 539, it seems a good time to ask. 
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Post by misomiso on Feb 6, 2023 14:54:25 GMT
Can you finish the book just going in blind? As in not doing any of the previous 3 books? Yes, I've done it myself, it's designed so it can be completed without equipment from previous entries in both Wizard and Warrior, and Champskees solution above specifies nothing you have to get from previous books. Notice how (in the solution) the Wizard is given several useful spell artefacts near the start. Obviously it's a touch harder stats-wise, without the beneficial items from previous Sorcery! entries, but it is easy at this point (quite possibly even too easy) if you have done the previous Sorcery! books. I don't have Sorcery! 4 with me, so, perhaps someone else could mention things like how you get past the guard without the locket and the creature without the glass vial of liquid, both from previous books, as I recall there are harder but not impossible routes.
Yes i was thinking of those bits and the 3rd throben doors. If you've defeated teh seven serpents then you get deduct 40 from paragrpahs which is very helpful. |
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Post by CharlesX on Feb 6, 2023 15:03:41 GMT
Yes, I've done it myself, it's designed so it can be completed without equipment from previous entries in both Wizard and Warrior, and Champskees solution above specifies nothing you have to get from previous books. Notice how (in the solution) the Wizard is given several useful spell artefacts near the start. Obviously it's a touch harder stats-wise, without the beneficial items from previous Sorcery! entries, but it is easy at this point (quite possibly even too easy) if you have done the previous Sorcery! books. I don't have Sorcery! 4 with me, so, perhaps someone else could mention things like how you get past the guard without the locket and the creature without the glass vial of liquid, both from previous books, as I recall there are harder but not impossible routes.
Yes i was thinking of those bits and the 3rd throben doors. If you've defeated teh seven serpents then you get deduct 40 from paragrpahs which is very helpful. Working purely from memory (so quite possibly wrongly) I believe - without items from previous gamebooks and without having defeated the seven serpents - you have to call on Libra to pass the guard, and you have to test your luck to escape the Sleepless Ram, without stuff from previous books. |
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Post by a moderator on Feb 6, 2023 21:12:00 GMT
Working purely from memory (so quite possibly wrongly) I believe - without items from previous gamebooks and without having defeated the seven serpents - you have to call on Libra to pass the guard, and you have to test your luck to escape the Sleepless Ram, without stuff from previous books. You can't call on Libra in Mampang. I think to get past the Captain without anything from past books, you need to wait for the opportune moment, then fight, but show mercy once you've done enough damage. |
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Post by misomiso on Feb 13, 2023 11:59:32 GMT
I'm in the very early stages of mapping the Crown of Kings, which is a rather daunting project.
There are so many secret references and loops back (some quite huge) that I am more than a little concerned that I will eventually get deep into the map only to have to tear it all up to go back and fit in some secret paragraphs due perhaps to the big time loop back shenanigans.
If anyone could pre-warn me of these I'd be grateful.
I've already clocked that:
Using the ZED spell can send you back to paragraphs 102,539 and 321.
(Perhaps some information gleaned down the road will open up some secret paragraphs for these?)
As I am now at 539, it seems a good time to ask. I really like your mapping - do you think you could do one that is all 'in order'? Ie where you have no loops back on yourself? So it's one contiious stream either up, down, or left? It's just very difficult to follow sometimes when it's formated like the above, even if it takes up less space! many thanks |
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Post by scouserob on Feb 13, 2023 12:17:35 GMT
Thanks Misomiso Good question... I guess it depends on the book. At the worst extreme my Scorpion Swamp map is pretty much mimicking the Swamps own layout already and couldn't really be linearized further. Of the ones I have done Caverns of the Snow Witch (or perhaps Island of the Lizard King) would probably be the best candidate to make more linear in one direction. Steve Jackson's novels tend to have huge detailed parallel branches spanning large chucks of the adventure so would be tricky. (Sorcery!, Creature of Havok, Citadel of Chaos at least do.) I may look at converting one to a more linear map if I ever finish Clash of Kings. They take rather a long time, merging and colouring tiny square cells, copying, pasting and moving text and arrows all over the place. (Though trying to fit everything neatly together takes the longest time of all.) |
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Post by scouserob on Mar 27, 2023 13:39:31 GMT
My mapping has reached the Mucalytic between the first and second Throben doors.
There is a suspiciously locked door in this room that basically just wastes a reference. (Paragraph 547)
To aid me with my map:
Is this a door that can be unlocked via a secret reference deduction/addition that I've missed (or that can be found in the future and looped back to?) or just something that Steve Jackson used to bulk up the number of paragraphs to 800?
Absolutely loving the Crown of Kings so far. 😀
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Post by edushie on Mar 28, 2023 18:39:54 GMT
Hmm not sure about that one, it may lead to the room where you commune with Shadrack the hermit.
I'll have to check !
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Post by scouserob on Mar 28, 2023 18:58:11 GMT
Hmm not sure about that one, it may lead to the room where you commune with Shadrack the hermit. I'll have to check ! The Shadrack room is just after the Mucalytic room but through the other (unlocked) door out in the corridor before Valignya. If there is a way to get through that locked door then it must be a loop back from beyond the second Throben Doors. (Pretty sure I haven’t missed any secret reference deduction/addition keys or the like before that Mucalytic.) |
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Post by edushie on Mar 29, 2023 15:03:06 GMT
Yes it appears to be just a dead end.
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