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Post by vastariner on Sept 15, 2020 10:33:53 GMT
The Necromancer of Throben?
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kieran
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Post by kieran on Sept 15, 2020 10:36:45 GMT
The most Mysterious villain - RAZAAK (pretty obvious why). Is he all that mysterious? Yaztromo provides a fairly detailed origin story.
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Post by Law on Sept 15, 2020 11:16:27 GMT
Mordraneth - The Grand Necromancer. The Stealer of Souls! I always called him Mord-an-wrath when I was nine, sounded cooler!
True, he may seem your typical unimaginative sable-cloaked sorcerer, but he's...
- Hooded and Cloaked like Palpatine, check.
- Has "Shining green eyes", hero of his own story, check.
- Deceives the Mages of Pollua that he lives in Allansia, so has a spy network, check.
- Owns his own island, aptly dubbed "The Isle of Despair! Don't even think - *hacking cough* - don't even think about trying to escape." Check.
- Illusionary kingdom that, like the flame-hallway past the second Throben Doors, can kill, check.
- Has an IK razor-floss spell, putting him on the same level as Walter from Hellsing.
Guess he's more spectacular than mysterious but what was his original plan? Absorb the souls of the dead, gain unlimited magical power, profit?
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kieran
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Post by kieran on Sept 15, 2020 11:42:02 GMT
Mordraneth - The Grand Necromancer. The Stealer of Souls! I do like the scene where he poses as his own apprentice to trick you into drinking vinegar. He probably could have given you something more lethal but he'd rather just mess with you instead - what a stinker!
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 15, 2020 12:01:16 GMT
The most Mysterious villain - RAZAAK (pretty obvious why). Is he all that mysterious? Yaztromo provides a fairly detailed origin story. One can have one thousand words of storyline, and yet, still be completey unknown.
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Post by Wilf on Sept 15, 2020 12:45:17 GMT
Is he all that mysterious? Yaztromo provides a fairly detailed origin story. One can have one thousand words of storyline, and yet, still be completey unknown. There's a fair bit about him in Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World, too, which came out before Crypt Of The Sorcerer did. I think Razaak is the only villain I knew about before his gamebook was published, actually. Without question FF's *least* mysterious baddie.
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Post by Law on Sept 15, 2020 13:25:34 GMT
The most Mysterious villain - RAZAAK (pretty obvious why). The most Spectacular villain - HELL DEMON & XAKHAAZ (i pretty much had the exact same overwhelming feeling as i watched them both for the first time). When I think "Spectacular" I'm reminded of the epic mounted aerial confrontation with Belgaroth in 'Knights of Doom' and the elemental battle done right against Balthazar in 'Stormslayer'
One ends with a fortress being ripped up in a gravity-well like the end of The Black Cauldron on amphetamine, the other with the steam-punk sky ship crashing down on an army of your local Mongol derivatives!
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Post by Law on Sept 15, 2020 13:50:12 GMT
If we're talking spectacular in the "breath-taking" sense, then I have to go for more outwardly attractive looking villains.
Shanzikuul for the ladies, who might be an expy of Sapkoski's Vilgefortz before he gets mutilated...
I haven't played Masks so it is a toss up between our few femme fatales:
- Shareella (warlock #2 cover or wizard re-issue cover version, not owl-shit glam rocker 80's version)
- Katarina Heydrich, the brains to her brother's brawns it would seem
- And the blink and you miss her, Senyakhaz, who ensnared Baron Tholdur
"Why do all the gorgeous ones have to be - homicidal maniacs?"
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Post by kieran on Sept 15, 2020 14:26:43 GMT
U haven't played Masks so it is a toss up between our few femme fatales There's also Meghan-na-Durr. Got a sort of Priti Patel smirk thing going on: And of course, there's, um, Ulrakaah:
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Post by Law on Sept 15, 2020 14:35:21 GMT
U haven't played Masks so it is a toss up between our few femme fatales There's also Meghan-na-Durr. Got a sort of Priti Patel smirk thing going on: And of course, there's, um, Ulrakaah: Ah, yes. The latter was just so forgettable!
Which book is the Meghan Markle prediction from? Crimson Tide?
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Post by kieran on Sept 15, 2020 14:39:33 GMT
Which book is the Meghan Markle prediction from? Crimson Tide? Took me quite a long time to find that image on Google amongst all the ones of Ms Markle! She's in Daggers of Darkness.
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Post by a moderator on Sept 15, 2020 16:09:10 GMT
Maybe vagsancho considers Razaak so mysterious because the necromancer has never replied to any of his fan letters.
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Post by sylas on Sept 15, 2020 17:20:56 GMT
What do we NOT know about Razaak that we commonly do know about other villains?
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 15, 2020 18:19:29 GMT
Maybe vagsancho considers Razaak so mysterious because the necromancer has never replied to any of his fan letters. What other villain has an appearance so weak and so fragile? (...)
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Post by Law on Sept 15, 2020 18:54:52 GMT
Maybe vagsancho considers Razaak so mysterious because the necromancer has never replied to any of his fan letters. What other villain has an appearance so weak and so fragile? (...) Zud the lockmaster comes to mind.
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Post by a moderator on Sept 15, 2020 18:58:43 GMT
What do we NOT know about Razaak that we commonly do know about other villains? How to defeat him without rewriting the adventure or using loaded dice.
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Post by thealmightymudworm on Sept 16, 2020 5:10:02 GMT
U haven't played Masks so it is a toss up between our few femme fatales There's also Meghan-na-Durr. Got a sort of Priti Patel smirk thing going on: Are we sure that isn't just Priti Patel? With Gove and Raab in the foreground?
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Post by stevendoig on Sept 19, 2020 21:37:47 GMT
Ifor Tynan
As well as having an incredibly game book friendly name this gentleman is very mysterious and spectacular. -
1) Being a court wizard and presumably bove average at magic, rather than killing the Ruler of Arion with a nasty spell, he decides to send them on a huge journey - hmmmm Mysterious.
2) having a Ruler who is clearly thick as mince and is willing to go along with his SPECTACULAR plan- instead of staying in Arion and telling everyone that their thick ruler has abandoned them for a crazy wifey who lives in the mountains, he decides to FOLLOW HIM AT A DISTANCE. hmmm. Mysterious.
3). After following the Ruler for a good while, he somehow gets ahead of them while walking in the snow. Hmmmmmm mysterious.
4) After the Ruler kills the big bad woman, Ifor the great Court Wizard with lots of magic at his disposal decides he could sneak up on him with a very small knife. Hmmmm etc.
Ifor is the best!
(and despite all the above Masks of Mayhem remains my favourite ff book - hmmmm mm)
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Post by Wilf on Sept 20, 2020 14:11:31 GMT
Reckon Ifor Tynin was just a talentless stooge for Morgana all along. 1) She needed YOU to complete her set of masks - this was her plan, not Ifor's. 2) and 3) Reckon Morgana teleports Ifor between Arion and Krill Garnash as required. All his magic is, in fact hers, and she summons him and dismisses as she pleases with her spells. 4) Which explains why Ifor has no magic when Morgana has died.
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Post by stevendoig on Sept 20, 2020 14:13:46 GMT
Interesting theory.
But no, Ifor is the best.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 20, 2020 16:25:08 GMT
Interesting theory. But no, Ifor is the best. A little weak point of a fantastic book. Morgana and ifor seem to be relatively equal, but the way the book is made, we are taken the supposition that morgana was the dominant, when the book with increase value if it was otherwise.
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Post by The Count on Sept 21, 2020 5:43:47 GMT
The Sorcerer from Siege of Sardath. He doesn't even have a name!
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Oct 11, 2020 10:12:19 GMT
U haven't played Masks so it is a toss up between our few femme fatales There's also Meghan-na-Durr. Got a sort of Priti Patel smirk thing going on: There's potentially another thread here for 'unintentional cameos'. The 'Turn to 400' blog is one that made me laugh - did you see this one he did? Poor William Hartnell's head on a spike?
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