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Post by kieran on Jan 9, 2024 10:11:17 GMT
I'd love to hear what people rank as their top 3 final boss encounters in the series. Balthus is definitely up there. I also really like the final fight in Crystal of Storms and Grool in Legend of Zagor. All three throw an element of strategy into the mix.
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Post by kieran on Jan 7, 2024 0:04:04 GMT
Well done evilwizard and thanks for doing this again greenspine.
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Post by kieran on Jan 7, 2024 0:02:16 GMT
Ouch. Where did you hear this? It was posted on Facebook earlier today.
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Post by kieran on Jan 6, 2024 19:17:46 GMT
Sadly, it appears JH Brennan has passed away at the age of 83.
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Post by kieran on Jan 5, 2024 12:22:54 GMT
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Post by kieran on Jan 2, 2024 10:41:43 GMT
But no more Charlie Higson messes I'd give him another chance IF he was happy to take feedback on board. Gates of Death had its moments.
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Post by kieran on Jan 2, 2024 10:40:24 GMT
If we get new books, I hope they actually have some mutually exclusive paths to explore rather than these 'see it all in a single playthrough' books that have been dominating of late.
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Post by kieran on Dec 30, 2023 23:02:09 GMT
Don't know if I'm making this up but didn't Ian mention a while ago that if Legend of Zagor gets reissued, he'd have Keith Martin's name on it as a tribute to his passing? Granted if that were the case, this would be the only book of his to likely get reissued. Yes, he said that in You Are the Hero.
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Post by kieran on Dec 28, 2023 18:55:22 GMT
Port Of Peril doesn't mention starting with provisions My copy does - the 'Stamina and Provisions' section says you start with 10 provisions and the 'Equipment and Potions' section mentions your backpack contains provisions for your journey. Maybe these references were removed in later printings. I think it's more because your character is supposed to be starving despite all these provisions in their backpack.
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Post by kieran on Dec 22, 2023 12:50:46 GMT
I never liked The Borg because such a powerful race that could learn so fast seemed grossly imbalanced. I always figured The Borg would be much more of a threat if their drones were able to react to intruders.
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Post by kieran on Dec 18, 2023 11:32:44 GMT
70 Secrets of Salamonis Has only one starting set of statistics: Skill 6 Stamina 12 Luck 6. I've found a path through with approximately a 96% success rate. That would give it a Fairness Quotient of 100% and place Secrets of Salamonis in 3rd Place below Gates of Death and above Spectral Stalkers.
71 Shadow of the Giants Here are the percentage chances of success for the best path I've found through the book, using the Rune Sword:
Using all 396 starting statistic combinations this gives a fairness quotient of 387/396 or 97.7%. With the 108 combinations Champskees uses, for a comparable match with the other books, this gives a fairness quotient of 102/108 of 94.4%
Using this second figure of 94.4% along with the minimum of 41.5% should put Shadow of the Giants in 14th position, below Dead of Night and above Demons of the Deep.
I think...Wow, nice work! I'll update the ranking above. I think that's just Crystal of Storms and the Clash of the Princes books missing now then.
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Post by kieran on Dec 16, 2023 17:34:25 GMT
Would it be possible to add the more recent FF books - Crystal of Storms, Secrets of Salamonis and Shadow of the Giants - to the rankings above? Sadly, Champskees who worked out the stats doesn't seem to post here anymore.
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Post by kieran on Dec 15, 2023 15:34:00 GMT
Ah cool, I do indeed. It seems Britbox got a few of these but not all of them - The Faceless Ones seems the most recent one on there. I get the impression Britbox is on its last legs. I would have only got Britbox to watch old Doctor Who, Red Dwarf and a few other sitcoms. I have not heard of Britbox hits (even though I've heard of some from Apple TV and Youtube Premium) except Spitting Image, which looks like a pale imitation of the classic '80s & '90s series. They haven't even had Red Dwarf for ages! They used to have nearly every British sitcom going but the number has reduced significantly. I don't think they have any Channel 4 content at all anymore and BBC and ITV definitely seem to be supporting it less. Original content seems to have dried up too. It still has a few good things I like, it's less than half the price of Netflix and their customer service is great, so I don't resent paying for it but it's a shame because it used to be much better. Now that Doctor Who, which I understand is their Number 1 show, is all on the iPlayer, I doubt it will last much longer. Still, signing up to their free trial to watch Box of Delights three Christmasses ago made me a Doctor Who fan so that will always be in its favour in my book.
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Post by kieran on Dec 14, 2023 23:53:46 GMT
Now, I acknowledge that it's possible that, if the video footage of the episode were ever recovered, the end of the scene might show them picking up the unconscious body and dragging it to safety on their way out. Now there's an animated version of The Underwater Menace, has the fate of the hapless technician been addressed?
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Post by kieran on Dec 14, 2023 22:12:32 GMT
I think they are all free, well free if you have a UK TV licence, on BBC iPlayer. Ah cool, I do indeed. It seems Britbox got a few of these but not all of them - The Faceless Ones seems the most recent one on there. I get the impression Britbox is on its last legs.
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Post by kieran on Dec 14, 2023 21:48:10 GMT
There seems to be a few stories restored as either stills or animation since I did my reviews of the Hartnell/Troughton years from what I can see. I do mean to go back and review them (if I can find them relatively cheaply) once I come to the end of the classic series.
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Post by kieran on Dec 13, 2023 23:46:51 GMT
I've looked back at some of my earlier posts and I don't think even I knew whether I was referring to Crypt Of The Vampire or Castle Of Lost Souls as unpolished early works, Castle is very unpolished but I really like it - perhaps because of that. There's nothing quite like it - it's just such an odd way to design an item hunt and the whole thing has such a dreamlike, fairy-tale atmosphere. I don't know if it was due to the input of Yve Newnham or just because it was a rewrite of Morris' first gamebook and he hadn't developed a formula yet, but there's just something very charming about it.
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Post by kieran on Dec 13, 2023 15:19:57 GMT
Curse of the Mummy (Wizard Edition) Sk7 St18 Lu8
Even the weaker giant scorpion was too much for me. Didn't hit it once.
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Post by kieran on Dec 13, 2023 15:01:46 GMT
Yeah, Fellowship of Four, Knightmare: Can You Beat the Challenge? and Can You Brexit? would probably be my least favourite DM gamebooks too. The first two stick to the source material too much and the third has barely any real decisions in it. I really like Curse of the Vampire though but to each their own. Yes, Curse Of The Vampire was the gamebook I was meaning to refer to. I haven't played it for a very long time. Golden Dragon thread suggests there is a quick solution in which there is not just little but no risk of failure, if this is so this could be a criticism about it (although I agree it wouldn't be so bad if it were well done, unlike Starship Traveller or say Gates Of Death). I don't really see that as a bad thing as the trick is finding this easy path in the first place.
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Post by kieran on Dec 13, 2023 14:31:58 GMT
Out of interest, what are the other Dave Morris books you don't like? As I've mentioned the one Golden Dragon I didn't really like was one of Dave Morris's first. I didn't like the first Knightmare book he wrote with Tim Child, which is agreed by most to have been overly loyal to the series, proasic and lacking in creativity. I thought his first Heroquest gamebook Fellowship Of Four was clumsy and failed, and I generally felt the series was very gamelike - I'm aware there are entire series based on things like Sonic and Mario but that sort of thing isn't me. I never got into his Brexit gamebook as it seemed very technical with a lot of information and reliance on one-liners\end references rather than action and decision. I recall voting for Leave, partly out of Labour sympathies, but as I've always thought Dave Morris is intelligent and I respect him some Remain\Tory handwriting was never a concern.
As a gamebook writer Dave Morris seems to me very good at writing generically rather than constructing elaborate worlds, I think this is why I like his Fabled Lands and Golden Dragon.
Yeah, Fellowship of Four, Knightmare: Can You Beat the Challenge? and Can You Brexit? would probably be my least favourite DM gamebooks too. The first two stick to the source material too much and the third has barely any real decisions in it. I really like Curse of the Vampire though but to each their own.
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Post by kieran on Dec 13, 2023 11:12:30 GMT
I'm a huge fan of Golden Dragon series in spite of negative feelings about KOTL-L and many other Dave Morris works. Out of interest, what are the other Dave Morris books you don't like?
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Post by kieran on Dec 9, 2023 12:45:33 GMT
Depressingly I've gone up a bracket since last time. Near enough a given with that time lapse but still hurts!
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Post by kieran on Dec 6, 2023 10:04:31 GMT
I think Dave's vision of multiple characters is in the Heroquest book, Fellowship of Four where there is no map, but a battle order. My simplified Bloodsword rules essentially play like Fellowship of Four
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Post by kieran on Dec 5, 2023 15:15:58 GMT
Many of the problems with The Ultimate Foe are due to behind-the-scenes issues, including the death of one scriptwriter and a major falling-out between producer and script editor (one consequence of which was that the people rushed in to provide a replacement episode 14 were not allowed to know anything about how it had originally been intended to go). Doesn't excuse the inconsistencies, but goes some way towards explaining them. Ah, ok. In that case, perhaps it's amazing that it wasn't much worse! Well, I guess that's something. Ah, no. I was aware that McCoy comes in in Series 24 and expected this to be Baker's Doctor's last story but then when he didn't die, I assumed he must bow out mid-Series 24. That's a dreadful shame (even if most of the exits have been a bit underwhelming thus far, Davison being the exception). I guess I'd better update my Doctor ranking then. I enjoyed Colin Baker's performance though it felt a times a little bit shallow. He was quite similar to that more famous Baker, being energetic, quirky and often petulant but I feel Tom Baker just had more screen presence. I still preferred Colin to Davison's more dry approach to the character though. So Colin Baker finally bucks the downward trend: 1. William Hartnell 2. Patrick Troughton 3. Jon Pertwee 4. Tom Baker 5. Colin Baker 6. Peter Davison
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Post by kieran on Dec 5, 2023 12:52:24 GMT
Thank you very Kieran. I'd agree Trial Of A Time Lord episodes were middling to sub-middling and had some glaring inconsistencies. The whole thing feels a bit to me like a metaphor for Doctor Who series defending itself from cancellation Ha, yes it does make more sense viewed that way. I wonder if it would have been better just to do the first three stories as normal without the courtroom stuff, shorten the baggy Mindwarp to three episodes then expand The Ultimate Foe to include the court scenes, lengthening it to 3 episodes. Eek, that sounds awful! Maybe Brian was joking. No way! I thought that was a genuine accent. Although that maybe explains the weird way she says 'DJ'. Her costumes were a bit ridiculous at times. There was a scene with the Doctor fishing and the camera was focused on Peri readjusting her bra in the background! Maybe that was part of the ploy to avoid cancellation?
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Post by kieran on Dec 5, 2023 11:11:21 GMT
Series 23 wasn't great. 3 of the 4 stories were decent enough but let down by the over-arching 'Trial of a Time Lord' framing which was tedious and non-sensical. As an aside, it really bothered me who the heck was playing the Inquisitor as I just couldn't place her but knew I'd seen her before - turns out it's the woman from the Bisto ads.
The Mysterious Planet Hey, they've rejigged the theme tune! I hate it. Anyway, I really didn't like the framing of this story as part of a trial. For one thing, the Gallifreyans are still completely insufferable and foolish. For another thing, I just don't buy this non-interference policy when generally the Doctor stumbles into situations rather than seeking them out and when he does seek them out, it's generally because he's made to do so by the Time Lords. And then if they're going to accuse him of being interfering, why not choose a better example of this than where he stumbles into a threat to the universe? I don't buy that fewer people would have died if he'd left well alone. Then why would the recording presented to the court contain so many irrelevant details like banter between supporting characters? I could just ignore this if the script didn't keep highlighting it without providing a good explanation. Finally, there's a few points where it appears the Valeyard has manipulated scenes to remove what people are saying - but I mean the whole thing is clearly edited anyway - it's not like we're seeing everything. I pictured the Valeyard going through his footage and adding musical cues and whatnot. The only element I liked to these court scenes was the Doctor mocking the whole process for being stupid because it is. It's a pity because otherwise this story is decent. The setting is pretty cool - a post apocalyptic Earth moved to a whole new area of space with different societies at various level of technology and different understandings of the world - all of them wrong on some level. It reminded me of Face of Evil in that regard. I really liked the mercenaries Glitz and Dibber although Glitz seems far less of a sociopath than his opening dialogue suggests. The robot villain was also interesting - I liked his ethical debate with the Doctor as to whether he should value human life above robots/his own. Other elements were less successful - Peri hasn't much to do but cry, there's a few too many characters, some initially decent jokes are stretched a bit thin (eg the Canadian goose), and the robot and his sentry were too easily fooled. But wouldn't have been a bad opening at all if not for the horrible courtroom framing.
Mindwarp The courtroom scenes are still tedious though at least the Valeyard actually seems to have something of a case this time with the Doctor seemingly throwing innocents to the wolves left and right. Of course, there are still loads of scenes that have nothing to do with the case and the script keeps bringing this to our attention for some reason. As regards the actual story, the pacing is very odd. As an example, Peri escapes the Doctor and Sil, blunders into a woman who gives her a job, then is taken back to the Doctor who exposes her - why bother with all that instead of just having her get captured straight away? The story is riddled with sequences like this where a lot happens at once but then has little bearing on the overall plot. This is probably Peri's biggest role in a story what with the Doctor chumming with the baddies for most of it, but I didn't think it was a great turn from her overall - she overdoes the whiney exasperation thing a bit. Although I can't really blame her for being exasperated what with her friend betraying her and a very shouty man alternating between proposing to her and nearly getting them both killed. Her story is very tedious consisting mostly of scurrying round dark tunnels (a pity because the outside of the planet actually looked pretty cool - kinda like David Bowie's Ashes to Ashes music video) with Brian Blessed doing his Brian Blessed thing and making me reach for the volume down button (as an aside, I find it strange that Brian has never appeared in the show up to now). The Doctor story is better and I still find Sil very entertaining especially with his sucking up to his boss. I also enjoyed the scenes with the other Mentor who can't stand the noisiness of Brian Blessed. I was looking forward to a big reveal as to why the Doctor had turned bad but it never came - I guess it was just a ploy after all but the footage we saw didn't seem to fit with that unless it's building up to a big revelation that the Valeyard was tinkering with the footage. The pacing is better in the final episode, building up to a nice climax - which doesn't happen because the Time Lords whisk the Doctor out of time then let everyone get killed rather than at least giving the Doctor a chance to fix everything by non-lethal means. If poor Peri really is dead, this was a pretty abrupt and crap end to her story: lacking the emotional impact of Adric's death, seeming a plain nasty fate for one of the Doctor's kindest companions, and just further hammering home that the Time Lords are dicks.
Terror of the Vervoids Odd premise this - if the Doctor was able to look in the Matrix to see a future adventure of his, doesn't that mean that the Valeyard must fail to get the death sentence he's seeking? And couldn't the Time Lords watch the outcome of the trial and see that (presumably) the Valeyard has indeed been tinkering with the evidence? I also don't see how the Doctor providing evidence of his not interfering in this case (and to be honest, he interferes loads off his own bat before he's formally asked to get involved) clears him from interfering in other cases. If someone is accused of murder, it wouldn't be much of a defence for them to say: 'But think of all the people I didn't murder!' It's also feels a bit odd to have a new companion in place with only vague hints as to who the heck she is. All I can really say about Mel is she's plucky but somewhat annoying. Otherwise, I quite liked this story - it was a fun little murder mystery with some clever little clues and red herrings. I also liked the way the Commodore isn't some annoying hard-headed bureaucrat, but someone who implicitly trusts the Doctor even if he doesn't like him very much. The Vervoids were also pretty cool looking and I liked the Mogarians - though they seem like poor choices for co-conspirators given they can be killed by a glass of water. The main problem with it is there's no real sense of urgency to it all - it feels like all the characters seem to be taking it all in their stride bar Bruchner who alone seems to react according to the gravity of the situation. The atmosphere just felt a bit 'cosy murder mystery in space' which didn't really fit with what was at stake. As for the ending, I liked the idea of the Doctor in seeking to clear his name ends up confessing to an even greater crime, but shouldn't he have known that was a risk? And weren't the Time Lords wanting him to genocide the Daleks previously? It doesn't really make a lot of sense though I must admit I am interested to see how he's going to get out of this one.
The Ultimate Foe This story, quite frankly, cheats. The Doctor admitting to a crime to which there can be no defence under Gallifrey law is ignored, then seemingly acknowledged, then ignored again. Remember how no-one was able to tamper with the Matrix? Well, turns out nearly everyone has a secret key to get in though don't worry too much about how they got them. A cliffhanger where the Doctor gets swallowed by quicksand? Don't worry, it's all an illusion. That scene where Mel rushes out of the court to save the Doctor? That's an illusion too even though the Doctor wasn't even there to witness it so I guess it was an illusion for the audience. A major conspiracy about the Council of Time Lords uncovered and the launch of an insurrection in Gallifrey masterminded by the Master? Don't bother your head about them, the writers certainly aren't going to once the charges against the Doctor are dropped. As for the Valeyard, turns out he is a later incarnation of the Doctor or perhaps he's a combination of the Doctor's darker impulses mixed with a couple of his later incarnations - the script seems a bit inconsistent on that point. He wants to kill the Doctor to break his connection to him and also inherit his later incarnations - which doesn't really make much sense. The Master? Oh, he exposes the Valeyard in the hopes he and the Doctor will take each other out and he can gain control of the Matrix even though he seems to have a fair bit of control already, the Doctor would have died anyway had he kept quiet and then he could have finished off the Valeyard at his leisure. And Peri? Yeah, her death never actually happened although a lifetime married to Brian Blessed will probably lead to some shattered ear drums (and her poor stepdad probably assumes she's dead). Apart from all that, it's not very interesting. The Valeyard is at least a decent concept for a villain and the actor gives a good performance. The Master being the Doctor's saviour is also not a bad idea. Much like in The Deadly Assassin, the illusory world of the Matrix isn't very well utilised - some disembodied arms, spooky children singing, quicksand and endless bureaucratic Onslows is as exciting as it gets. I don't even know what the point of the Valeyard posing as the latter is, he doesn't really take any advantage from it bar tricking the Master and Sabalom Glitz. The latter is by far the best thing about this story, I find him endlessly entertaining and hope this isn't the last we see of him. Mel on the other hand is even more annoying here. Bonnie Langford's line delivery is just weird, I never found her the least bit convincing. It's a bit odd that she goes off with the Doctor at the end, considering she's already lived through the events of Terror of the Vervoids while he hasn't and I have zero confidence in the writers addressing this issue in future.
Series 23 ranking: 1. Terror of the Vervoids 2. The Mysterious Planet 3. Mindwarp 4. The Ultimate Foe
So, time to add Peri to the ranking. I didn't like her at first and I feel Series 23 did her no favours but I liked her a lot in Series 22. She reminded me of Teri Hatcher's Lois Lane both in looks and performance - a bit of a brat but warm-hearted and gritty deep down. I also liked that her interest in botany was kept throughout her tenure. It's a pity she didn't really get a proper send off. I don't think she's Top 10 material but she only just misses out.
1. Jo 2. Leela 3. Ian 4. Sarah-Jane 5. Barbara 6. Romana 7. Ben 8. K-9 9. Liz 10. Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart 11. Peri 12. Vikki 13. Steven 14. Tegan 15. Victoria 16. Nyssa 17. Harry 18. Zoe 19. Turlough 20. Adric 21. Jamie 22. Polly 23. Susan 24. Dodo
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Post by kieran on Dec 5, 2023 10:30:45 GMT
There are several references to the train's next stop being in Phoenix, which makes absolutely no sense (unless that's some fictional stop between Cheyenne and Denver, although then it's unexplained why you'd spend a week there): Phoenix, Arizona didn't get a rail connection until 1887 and was not on the Southern Pacific main line, and in any case a train leaving Cheyenne wouldn't ever have ended up anywhere near there, engineer held at gunpoint or not. Southern Pacific did not operate in Colorado (after 1880 it would have been Union Pacific), and I assume the headline in paragraph 190 should have mentioned Union Pacific instead, as Abel does in 103. Stuff like this is why I largely stick to fantasy! Bar some dodgy railway historicity (which I must admit I was oblivious to!) I think this was a great little adventure and with the player character and his back story so well established, I would really like to see a sequel.
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Post by kieran on Dec 5, 2023 9:56:50 GMT
I generally prefer less complexity rather than more. Fighting Fantasy is fine as are Lone Wolf, Way of the Tiger, Fabled Lands etc. But the likes of Bloodsword is just a bit too cumbersome for me which is why I only play it with my own simplified rules. Of course, you can have a simple system which is still very effective - Golden Dragon had a very simple system but it made it very easy (in theory though not in practice) for the author to balance battles. It's a while since I played Bloodsword but I remember not finding the rules at all a problem. Eh, it just seems such a faff to me - drawing out a grid and moving tokens about for every fight. I don't much care for the magic system either. I agree that it probably would be more fun multiplayer but doing it all solo is a pain in the proverbial imo.
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Post by kieran on Dec 4, 2023 17:02:52 GMT
I generally prefer less complexity rather than more. Fighting Fantasy is fine as are Lone Wolf, Way of the Tiger, Fabled Lands etc. But the likes of Bloodsword is just a bit too cumbersome for me which is why I only play it with my own simplified rules.
Of course, you can have a simple system which is still very effective - Golden Dragon had a very simple system but it made it very easy (in theory though not in practice) for the author to balance battles.
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Post by kieran on Dec 4, 2023 16:55:05 GMT
J.H. Brennan's Sagas of the Demonspawn series had one of the most complex gamebook systems published (or, given that rules were added or changed as the series went on, maybe that should be 'some' of the most complex). While there are some readers who appreciate the storyline, I don't think anybody has anything good to say about the system. I think that was less an issue with the complexity of the system and more an issue with it being incredibly badly designed.
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