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Post by thealmightymudworm on Aug 8, 2021 18:34:49 GMT
A topic that I don't really know much about but which floated onto my timeline and might be of interest to some... Games Workshop is apparently pressing forward with a harsh crackdown on copyright infringement, starting with Warhammer-related video content on YouTube.
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Aug 8, 2021 22:38:56 GMT
Thanks for pointing this bit of news out.
I don't know a great deal about it either, and am quite torn between backing the fans, and supporting GW's right to defend its IP from people on the outside who are making money out of them. Having said that, I don't much like the idea of GW going round squashing harmless little channels to pave the way for their streaming channel, a channel I have absolutely no interest in subscribing to by the way.
I picked up a lot of 'potentially this might happen'.. or 'this could lead to...' from that video. So time will tell if those predictions come true.
The bottom half of the internet comments are what you'd expect though. From 'I was on the brink of buying a thousand pounds of Imperial Guard before this, but now I WON'T'... to 'I never would have even heard of space marines without that youtube channel' to the heard a million times before: 'Games Workshop is finished! do you hear? Finished!! And I will dance a jig on the grave!! Bwahahaha! '
I'm glad that GW has kept a tight hold on its IP, to be honest. I've seen a number of franchises (in my opinion) go down the toilet because they have not been looked after properly.
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Post by The Count on Aug 9, 2021 8:24:54 GMT
I'm more concerned about their pricing model that seems to have returned to the constant price creep with every release, and the frankly terrible models and abysmal fluff that seem to accompany every release - that giant mutant centaur thing that looks like a sloppy conversion and the god of egg smashing spring to mind
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Aug 9, 2021 17:32:03 GMT
I'm more concerned about their pricing model that seems to have returned to the constant price creep with every release You choose to pay for stuff or not. No-one's got a (bolt)gun to anyone's head over this. It's easy to get second-hand stuff for a fraction of the price both online and at real-world wargames conventions. They are a proper company with bricks and mortar shops, employees with pensions etc.. I expect prices will go up. UK-wide I mean, not just for GW products. They are not a couple of blokes in a flat sending off all the manufacturing to be done by the Chinese. The creep that gets my goat is the scale creep. and the frankly terrible models and abysmal fluff that seem to accompany every release The models are generally speaking excellent. Since the days of Citadel they have been at the top end of sci-fi and fantasy models. And they used to sell a lot of medieval back in the 1980's for use in historical wargames too - they did Vikings, Normans and Saxons as well as knights in plate armour. Though, yeah, I suppose there has been a big push in the direction of bigger and bigger models and fluff about the latest models being AWESOME and the BEST EVAR! that giant mutant centaur thing that looks like a sloppy conversion and the god of egg smashing spring to mind I'm out of the loop on this, you're going to have to show me what you mean!  |
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Post by The Count on Aug 10, 2021 1:41:02 GMT
I'm more concerned about their pricing model that seems to have returned to the constant price creep with every release You choose to pay for stuff or not. No-one's got a (bolt)gun to anyone's head over this. It's easy to get second-hand stuff for a fraction of the price both online and at real-world wargames conventions. They are a proper company with bricks and mortar shops, employees with pensions etc.. I expect prices will go up. UK-wide I mean, not just for GW products. They are not a couple of blokes in a flat sending off all the manufacturing to be done by the Chinese. The creep that gets my goat is the scale creep. I'm not forced to buy them, but I look at the prices and can't justify them as aside from some of the new Kommandos and the exquisite Light of Eltharion, they just are not worth it. So instead of me spending a minimum of £100 per month, I spend maybe a tenner in 5 years - and that is more than likely through a 3rd party trying to offload excess stock or a bargain bundle from bitz sellers on ebay as the last mini I bought direct from GW was £12.50 for a monopose plastic figure that technically can't be used in the current game due to the nonsensical rules - and at least 90% of the minis I bought and painted for 25+ years can't be used under current rules... The whole "you aren't forced to buy them" is a ridiculous strawman at best. As a loyal customer for 25+ years, I have had to concede that they have priced me out of the market for the few items I would consider buying - and I don't think any of the copycat competitors have ever been, or could ever be, as good as the worst GW excrete - and that includes Kev Adams whose 4th Ed Goblins are amazing, yet his not GW models sold on the back of them look like they are poor imitations. So with every release, GW effectively LOSES money as I redirect funds put aside for their next release towards having a good steak at a fancy restaurant instead. I am yet to see the rarer models 2nd hand for anything less than DOUBLE the GW price for them new... and the frankly terrible models and abysmal fluff that seem to accompany every release The models are generally speaking excellent. Since the days of Citadel they have been at the top end of sci-fi and fantasy models. And they used to sell a lot of medieval back in the 1980's for use in historical wargames too - they did Vikings, Normans and Saxons as well as knights in plate armour. Though, yeah, I suppose there has been a big push in the direction of bigger and bigger models and fluff about the latest models being AWESOME and the BEST EVAR! I find that they lost the plot design wise around the tail end of WHF 5th Ed and whenever they produce a good model, it is the glaring exception to the rule - see the beautiful Eltharion that is a masterpiece of design compared to the moo cow elves, snake tail elves and dressed as dead tree elves. that giant mutant centaur thing that looks like a sloppy conversion and the god of egg smashing spring to mind I'm out of the loop on this, you're going to have to show me what you mean! An utter abomination - and sadly, it is intentionally a derisible model with even worse fluff... |
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Aug 10, 2021 16:40:59 GMT
The whole "you aren't forced to buy them" is a ridiculous strawman at best. At best?! What is it at worst?  [Don't answer that, it's rhetorical] As a loyal customer for 25+ years, I have had to concede that they have priced me out of the market for the few items I would consider buying Understood. I underestimate brand loyalty among other people, not having much of it myself. I drifted away initially some time in the early 90's when the price of a blister pack went up again by something like 50p all at once, so I know where you're coming from. ...and at least 90% of the minis I bought and painted for 25+ years can't be used under current rules... I'm sad to hear that. Sod the new rules (if you feel you can). The last game of 40K I played (about a year ago) was Rogue Trader with some home-brew rules. It was a squad of those first plastic Imperial Guards fighting each other in what looked like 1940's Normandy countryside. Most recently I played Space Marine (The original Epic which came out in 1989 and had orders counters). I always wanted them and at last I got my hands on the original Eldar Harlequins for a bargain price last year. I am a terrible customer! Anyway, I see the rules as nothing more than a tool-kit to facilitate a wargame. For example, the 'to hit' rules for template weaponry in Rogue Trader are utter nonsense and we ignore them without a second thought. Do you feel rules to be something different? More of a straitjacket? Do others agree with you? Key to all this is having opponents of a similar mind and if no-one is playing the old games and always moving onto the new and shiny, then you're stuck. Ever-changing army lists which create a sort of arms race and make collections obsolete; ornamental models the size of breeze blocks moving relentlessly across a table spitting out buckets of dice in attacks; tournament-style play with artificial objectives... I reject the lot - but maybe I'm just in a fortunate position. |
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Post by The Count on Aug 10, 2021 21:31:45 GMT
...and at least 90% of the minis I bought and painted for 25+ years can't be used under current rules... I'm sad to hear that. Sod the new rules (if you feel you can). The last game of 40K I played (about a year ago) was Rogue Trader with some home-brew rules. It was a squad of those first plastic Imperial Guards fighting each other in what looked like 1940's Normandy countryside. Most recently I played Space Marine (The original Epic which came out in 1989 and had orders counters). I always wanted them and at last I got my hands on the original Eldar Harlequins for a bargain price last year. I am a terrible customer! Anyway, I see the rules as nothing more than a tool-kit to facilitate a wargame. For example, the 'to hit' rules for template weaponry in Rogue Trader are utter nonsense and we ignore them without a second thought. Do you feel rules to be something different? More of a straitjacket? Do others agree with you? Key to all this is having opponents of a similar mind and if no-one is playing the old games and always moving onto the new and shiny, then you're stuck. Ever-changing army lists which create a sort of arms race and make collections obsolete; ornamental models the size of breeze blocks moving relentlessly across a table spitting out buckets of dice in attacks; tournament-style play with artificial objectives... I reject the lot - but maybe I'm just in a fortunate position. I like to play for fun, though winning is good, so years of playing against people whose aim is to win at all cost - including dropping armies to take up the latest power creep netlist with "generous" interpretations of the rules and proxies that changed , means I want to just pick up the rule set as it and get on with it, and I'd rather use an older rule set. I've not been fortunate enough to find a group that agrees for a while - not helped that I've travelled and moved a lot. I never got the opportunity to play Epic though it always looked fun. |
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Post by tyrion on Aug 13, 2021 14:59:13 GMT
I'm fortunate to have a group to p!ay 40k with that I can have narrative games with. Some of them are tournament players as well, but they can do both. It's horrendous when you bring your fluffy 2nd company army and get thrashed by the latest net list (usually of unpainted grey minis).
On topic, however, if gw wants to protect their ip, fair enough. I can't go round flogging fighting fantasy books that I've written, based in titan and using the ff rules.
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Aug 13, 2021 18:51:04 GMT
On topic, however, if gw wants to protect their ip, fair enough. I can't go round flogging fighting fantasy books that I've written, based in titan and using the ff rules. And if a company does not protect its IP, that might be taken as some sort of green light for others to pitch in and duplicate or make money out of them. It looks like GW is making its case clear. Just because it can shut a channel down, doesn't mean it will. It looks like some of the animators have been offered places to work for GW on their proposed streaming service, so hopefully people haven't been too badly harmed by this. |
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