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Post by dragonwarrior8 on Sept 16, 2019 12:41:41 GMT
Id actually love a source too. Ive been searching and cant seem to find anything. You cant get peoples hopes up like that man!
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Sept 16, 2019 13:30:02 GMT
As Ronnie Barker said to the great Brian Glover in Porridge "I do not think we are dealing with the brain of Britain".
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Post by jmisbest on Sept 16, 2019 13:34:33 GMT
As Ronnie Barker said to the great Brian Glover in Porridge "I do not think we are dealing with the brain of Britain". Never heard of either of those or Porridge. Who are or where Ronnie Barker and Brian Glover? and what is or was Porridge?
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Post by thealmightymudworm on Sept 16, 2019 14:57:28 GMT
As Ronnie Barker said to the great Brian Glover in Porridge "I do not think we are dealing with the brain of Britain". Never heard of either of those or Porridge. Who are or where Ronnie Barker and Brian Glover? and what is or was Porridge? Porridge was one of the UK's most celebrated comedies, made back in the 1970s, starring Ronnie Barker and set in prison. "Doing porridge" is slang for spending time in jail. The opening episode (with Brian Glover) can be seen here if you're interested:
Anyway I think John is suggesting that we treat the unsourced revelation as if it had been found written in thick green crayon on the side of a turnip.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 17, 2019 12:59:09 GMT
I ask for a new fighting fantasy gamebook. A dark one. With an evil task. Maybe inspired in Grimslade's task. I ask for a book where the hero needs to kill indiscriminately, desires to steal indiscriminately. A sadistic book, where the "good ones" are killed without a repentance. And very important, a book where all kind of bad deeds do not result in the loss of luck points. Also very important, a book where the hero is not an insane guy but a "lucid one". A book where in the end there is not a "turning point" for good. A book where the ultimate success is the result of the hero achieving his ultimate sadistic goal. (Someone?)
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Post by kieran on Sept 17, 2019 13:13:29 GMT
Seas of Blood isn't too far off the mark except it doesn't really dwell on the implicit sadism of embarking on a jaunt of pillage, murder and enslavement in order to win bragging rights at the pub.
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Post by dragonwarrior8 on Sept 17, 2019 15:34:32 GMT
Seas of Blood isn't too far off the mark except it doesn't really dwell on the implicit sadism of embarking on a jaunt of pillage, murder and enslavement in order to win bragging rights at the pub. Perhaps strangely, it wasnt the pillage or murder that bothered me but the acquiring and selling of slaves I found very distasteful and didnt really want to play as the "hero" because of it.
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Post by philsadler on Sept 17, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
Why is he shouting all of a sudden these days?
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 17, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
Seas of Blood isn't too far off the mark except it doesn't really dwell on the implicit sadism of embarking on a jaunt of pillage, murder and enslavement in order to win bragging rights at the pub. Not seas of blood. Not at all. That book does not work for me. Sounds to me like a childish fairy tale.
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Post by schlendrian on Sept 17, 2019 17:12:34 GMT
Well, a fairytale it certainly is, childish, as kieran said, not so much. Anyway, as it's the only ff that fits your request, why don't you give it another chance to see, whether you can feel it now
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Post by a moderator on Sept 17, 2019 19:41:24 GMT
Ever thought of going into politics, vagsancho?
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 17, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
Ever thought of going into politics, vagsancho? I'm not good enough.
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Post by bloodbeasthandler on Sept 17, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
What's not to like about Seas of Blood, vagsancho? You can burn down a monastery and sell the priests into slavery, bet on the Bataar races where a live goblin is tied to a stake and used as bait, and can punch a cyclops in the testicles!
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 17, 2019 20:53:23 GMT
What's not to like about Seas of Blood, vagsancho? You can burn down a monastery and sell the priests into slavery, bet on the Bataar races where a live goblin is tied to a stake and used as bait, and can punch a cyclops in the testicles! Although very simple, I see the task of grimslade in scorpion swamp much more darker than the book seas of blood. Even so, my wish is for something else... A sadistic book without a loss of any luck point for doing "bad" deeds.
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Post by a moderator on Sept 17, 2019 20:55:19 GMT
There aren't many gamebooks with an overtly evil viewpoint character. Apart from Seas the most obvious candidate is Pat Mills' You Are Maggie Thatcher, in which you can fail by not committing enough morally repugnant acts. There are several copies on eBay for under a fiver. If that's not serious enough for you, the original version of Dave Morris & Yvonne Newnham's Castle of Lost Souls, (available on Dave Morris' blog - rules, part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4) can, essentially, be played in two ways: you can take the conventional heroic route, or you can become a bigger villain than the demon who is your primary antagonist.
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Post by Pete Byrdie on Sept 17, 2019 21:27:49 GMT
What you want is a gamebook without LUCK or any equivalent to measure karma. Perhaps you need to play as an evil warrior-sorcerer, expanding influence by acquiring arcane artefacts and knowledge no matter who you slaughter or transmogrify along the way, destroying settlements, manipulating the politics of kingdoms. Give me ten years and I'll write you one.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 17, 2019 21:54:46 GMT
What you want is a gamebook without LUCK or any equivalent to measure karma. Perhaps you need to play as an evil warrior-sorcerer, expanding influence by acquiring arcane artefacts and knowledge no matter who you slaughter or transmogrify along the way, destroying settlements, manipulating the politics of kingdoms. Give me ten years and I'll write you one. I like LUCK, but only as a measure of something aleatory and not a measure of honesty / dishonesty. But yes, something like that, more or less...
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Post by Pete Byrdie on Sept 17, 2019 21:58:03 GMT
What you want is a gamebook without LUCK or any equivalent to measure karma. Perhaps you need to play as an evil warrior-sorcerer, expanding influence by acquiring arcane artefacts and knowledge no matter who you slaughter or transmogrify along the way, destroying settlements, manipulating the politics of kingdoms. Give me ten years and I'll write you one. I like LUCK, but only as a measure of something aleatory and not a measure of honesty / dishonesty. But yes, something like that, more or less... Well then, you don't need a luck score, you can just roll dice without a score to determine the outcome of situations with a random element.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 18, 2019 8:34:24 GMT
My wish - a new fighting fantasy book solely dedicated to Grimslade's demand.
An adventurer who renders his services to a great devil wizard, who in exchange for large amounts of gold, gives the mission to kill other sorcerers in order to increase the power of "Grimslade".
Not in a swamp but a search for wizards all over the distant lands of Allansia.
Given that he is a bad wizard, he rewards with a greater treasure every good wizard killed.
A skull of the dead is the proof.
And in the end, not for justice!! but only for the mere sake of power, the adventurer tries to kill grimslade, to appropriate for himself his gigantic conquered power.
A book dedicated solely to the mission of grimslade, but improved.
(this sounds to me in Jonathan Green's style)
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Post by kieran on Sept 18, 2019 9:12:31 GMT
Seas of Blood isn't too far off the mark except it doesn't really dwell on the implicit sadism of embarking on a jaunt of pillage, murder and enslavement in order to win bragging rights at the pub. Not seas of blood. Not at all. That book does not work for me. Sounds to me like a childish fairy tale. One could argue that the dispassionate, matter-of-fact way that Seas of Blood deals with murder and slave trading is darker than making a big song and dance about it.
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Post by kieran on Sept 18, 2019 9:16:52 GMT
My wish - a new fighting fantasy book solely dedicated to Grimslade's demand. An adventurer who renders his services to a great devil wizard, who in exchange for large amounts of gold, gives the mission to kill other sorcerers in order to increase the power of "Grimslade". Not in a swamp but a search for wizards all over the distant lands of Allansia. Given that he is a bad wizard, he rewards with a greater treasure every good wizard killed. A skull of the dead is the proof. And in the end, not for justice!! but only for the mere sake of power, the adventurer tries to kill grimslade, to appropriate for himself his gigantic conquered power. A book dedicated solely to the mission of grimslade, but improved. (this sounds to me in Jonathan Green's style) You could always try writing it yourself?
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 18, 2019 10:35:00 GMT
I imagine that in that "grimslade's improved fighting fantasy book" the most valuable reward would be for the skull of Yaztromo.
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Post by a moderator on Sept 18, 2019 20:31:49 GMT
Sometimes I wonder how long it will be before vagsancho's neighbours are telling the reporters what a quiet, unremarkable chap he seemed.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Sept 19, 2019 13:23:51 GMT
My wish - a new fighting fantasy book solely dedicated to Grimslade's demand. An adventurer who renders his services to a great devil wizard, who in exchange for large amounts of gold, gives the mission to kill other sorcerers in order to increase the power of "Grimslade". Not in a swamp but a search for wizards all over the distant lands of Allansia. Given that he is a bad wizard, he rewards with a greater treasure every good wizard killed. A skull of the dead is the proof. And in the end, not for justice!! but only for the mere sake of power, the adventurer tries to kill grimslade, to appropriate for himself his gigantic conquered power. A book dedicated solely to the mission of grimslade, but improved. (this sounds to me in Jonathan Green's style) You could always try writing it yourself? Try writing one yourself Vag and make it a 1000 reference masterpiece. Come back and tell us when it is finished.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 19, 2019 16:03:11 GMT
Sometimes I wonder how long it will be before vagsancho's neighbours are telling the reporters what a quiet, unremarkable chap he seemed. One ends always. One way or another.
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Post by hynreck on Sept 19, 2019 18:04:53 GMT
Sometimes I wonder how long it will be before vagsancho's neighbours are telling the reporters what a quiet, unremarkable chap he seemed. Never made a sound, except to howl at the moon a few times.
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Post by vagsancho on Sept 20, 2019 8:59:12 GMT
Seven of this forum could drive efforts to make a new ff book, possibly this new improved book, a veneration to evil, based on the task of Grimslade. I think the seven should be: platogue, greenspine, hynreck, kieran, wilf, champskees, and masterchief. The background should be of sylas.
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Post by kieran on Sept 20, 2019 14:23:54 GMT
Seven of this forum could drive efforts to make a new ff book, possibly this new improved book, a veneration to evil, based on the task of Grimslade. I think the seven should be: platogue, greenspine, hynreck, kieran, wilf, champskees, and masterchief. The background should be of sylas. Unfortunately I doubt any of us have any clout with Scholastic.
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Post by hynreck on Sept 20, 2019 16:41:26 GMT
I'm just insane, I'm not evil!
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Post by dragonwarrior8 on Sept 20, 2019 17:24:33 GMT
Seven of this forum could drive efforts to make a new ff book, possibly this new improved book, a veneration to evil, based on the task of Grimslade. I think the seven should be: platogue, greenspine, hynreck, kieran, wilf, champskees, and masterchief. The background should be of sylas. Unfortunately I doubt any of us have any clout with Scholastic. You probably wouldnt get any credit for writing it anyways.
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