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Post by tyrion on Aug 9, 2020 10:25:20 GMT
Last round gates of death and blood of the zombies were eliminated. Do we prefer old-school Livingstone or new school Green?
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kieran
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Post by kieran on Aug 9, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
New school Jonathan Green for me. I must admit I don't overly like Night of the Necromancer but there's so much creativity going on in there that I can't vote for it over the Livingstone-by-numbers Port and Assassins. Plus, it has to be said Port takes forever to get going.
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sylas
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Post by sylas on Aug 9, 2020 11:05:51 GMT
Same. The two Scholastic books aren't even bad but they're nowhere near as good as the Jon Green ones.
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Post by Wilf on Aug 9, 2020 13:01:12 GMT
New school Green. It's a bit like comparing champagne and cat's piss.
ETA: To be fair, I like the older Livingstone titles. It's the later ones I dislike. And even then, Assassins is probably the best one since Return, or maybe Crypt. If only it had been play-tested for fairness, script-edited for continuity foul-ups, and given some half-decent artwork...
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vagsancho
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Post by vagsancho on Aug 9, 2020 13:03:46 GMT
Night of the Necromancer is a masterpiece, like Howl of the Werewolf.
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Post by The Count on Aug 10, 2020 0:04:33 GMT
As much as I'm not fond of any of this batch, the Livingstone efforts need to be flushed.
Assassins needs to go for that vile vomit inducing illustration of the dwarfs alone - the fact that it is just another linear slog is irrelevant.
Port would have been decent if this was 1985, and Ian STILL doesn't know the rules of his own books... it manages to cheapen the good fluff he wrote back when he cared.
So save the Green efforts as they at least would make great Fantasy novels.
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Post by tyrion on Aug 12, 2020 20:07:46 GMT
As much as I'm not fond of any of this batch, the Livingstone efforts need to be flushed. Assassins needs to go for that vile vomit inducing illustration of the dwarfs alone - the fact that it is just another linear slog is irrelevant. Port would have been decent if this was 1985, and Ian STILL doesn't know the rules of his own books... it manages to cheapen the good fluff he wrote back when he cared. So save the Green efforts as they at least would make great Fantasy novels. The illustration of the dwarfs is much better in the Hungarian edition of assassins of Allansia (in fact all the illustrations are better) - they look more menacing rather than having a room temperature IQ.
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sylas
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Post by sylas on Aug 12, 2020 21:14:57 GMT
At the FFFest 3, Robert Ball sheepishly mentioned he slightly misinterpreted the grossness of the description. This was the first image that sprang to his mind so he stuck with it. Don't blame Ian for this.
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Post by The Count on Aug 14, 2020 5:23:58 GMT
As much as I'm not fond of any of this batch, the Livingstone efforts need to be flushed. Assassins needs to go for that vile vomit inducing illustration of the dwarfs alone - the fact that it is just another linear slog is irrelevant. Port would have been decent if this was 1985, and Ian STILL doesn't know the rules of his own books... it manages to cheapen the good fluff he wrote back when he cared. So save the Green efforts as they at least would make great Fantasy novels. The illustration of the dwarfs is much better in the Hungarian edition of assassins of Allansia (in fact all the illustrations are better) - they look more menacing rather than having a room temperature IQ. It wouldn't be difficult to be better than that nauseating crud... a recreation of you falling face first into a freshly deposited cow pat before another cow drops one on your head in front of your dream celebrity / sporting hero / entertainer / green skinned alien space babe that was going to take you for a night of rampant unbridled passion, who then takes a photo of it and posts it online would be a vast improvement!
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Post by The Count on Aug 14, 2020 5:27:18 GMT
At the FFFest 3, Robert Ball sheepishly mentioned he slightly misinterpreted the grossness of the description. This was the first image that sprang to his mind so he stuck with it. Don't blame Ian for this. Blame for that rancid drawing is definitely with Ball primarily for making it in the first place - then with whoever approved it. So unless that was Ian, for once he hasn't managed to ruin his own book (beyond it being boring after the island).
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