19) Demons of the Deep Solution

[champskees]

This is a very forgiving book. There are several ways to win, a chance to reroll your initial stats completely, and many opportunities to improve on your initial scores throughout the adventure. My suggestion avoids a lot of trouble and lets you win with the best ending.

- Explore the sunken courtyard.
- Go into the large building to confront the watchers.
- Take Lucky Charm (free Test your Luck).
- Go upward.
- Fight Sk 6 St 4 Barracuda.
- Fight Sk 6 St 6 Barracuda.
- Fight Sk 5 St 6 Barracuda.
- Take 4 Gold Pieces.
- Go back down and explore the tunnel.
- Go left.
- Fight them.
- Fight Sk 8 St 5 Skeleton.
- Fight Sk 7 St 6 Skeleton.
- Take 4 Black Pearls.
- Ignore it and leave the room.
- Swim back up and out of the building.
- Go to the huge red coloured dome with the broken roof.
- Swim towards the floor of the arena.
- Take Harpoon.
- Swim towards the ground level exits.
- Swim towards the glow.
- Talk to him.
- Offer gold.
- You will pay the price of 2 gold pieces per fish.
- Take Glowfish and Sawfish (-4 Gold Pieces).
- Listen to the voice.
- Help him (+2 Luck).
- Take 1 Gold Piece (lose ½ your stamina).
- Roll D6.
        o 1-2 = Take Healing Potion (restores stamina to full).
        o 3-4 = Open the bottle. Test Luck. Success = +1 Initial Skill. Fail = Stamina reduced to 1.
        o 5-6 = Keep the bottle, unopened. Take Greylock’s bottle.
- You may choose to use the harpoon or fight. I recommend just fighting it.
        o If you use the harpoon:
                o Test Skill. Fail = Cannot attain best ending.
        o If you fight:
                o Fight Sk 8 St 12 Shark (only need to hit it twice for it to retreat).
- Lift the crown from the statue’s head.
- Fight Sk 6 St 16 Statue.
- Take Jade Crown.
- Open the trapdoor.
- 3D6 Stamina Test. Fail = 1 Damage.
- You possess a glowfish.
- Swim upstream (1 Damage).
- Press ahead (1 Damage).
- Attempt to parley.
- You have such a pearl.
- Give the elemental a pearl (-1 Black Pearl, +1 Initial Luck & restore Luck to new maximum).
- Take Crystal of Unmelting Ice.
- Go up and see what happened.
- Take 2 Black Pearls.
- Go back down the Elemental’s chamber & the coral grotto (1 Damage).
- Continue downstream.
- Leave and continue downstream.
- Go down.
- Go left.
- If you are going to reroll your stats at the sauna later on:
        o Examine the cliff face more closely.
        o Enter the cave and attack with your sword.
        o Fight Sk 7 St 12 Moray Eel.
        o Take 1 Gold Piece.
- Swim out over the city.
- Go to the huge palace with striped domes.
- Swim slowly down and hail them.
- Offer him the Jade Crown.
- Take Jewelled Arm Bracelets (+1 Attack Strength).
- Look through the gardens.
- Go to the left.
- Ignore the fountain and go on.
- Sample a fruit (+2 Stamina).
- Go around to the front and meet the old man.
- If you possess Greylock’s Bottle, heal Stamina and Luck to maximum. Otherwise, wait and see what he does.
- Your answer is yes.
- Note the magic word ‘Derd-nu-Heno’.
- Your answer is no.
- You think you want to meet the Sea Dragon.
- Talk to him.
- If your stats are weak, reroll them in the sauna. Otherwise, go to the games room.
- Gamble 1 Gold Piece. Test Luck. Success = +1 Gold Piece. Fail = Lose that Gold Piece.
- Go to the sunken cathedral.
- Pick some seaweed and approach the sea horse.
- Try to jump on it and ride.
- Test Luck.
        o Success = +2 Luck.
        o Fail = -2 Stamina. Swim harder to get past. Fight Sk 6 St 6 Bloodworms.
- If you have two Gold Pieces:
        o Look around the cathedral.
        o Explore the interior further.
        o Stay and look at more pictures.
        o Ask him what is going on here.
        o You can afford the price.
        o Pay for a lesson (-2 Gold Pieces, +2 Stamina).
        o Fight Sk 11 St 10 Cyrano (until one of you takes three wounds).
                o If Cyrano wins, gain +2 Initial Skill.
                o If you win, gain +1 Initial Skill.
        o Attack them.
        o Test Luck. Fail = You do not have such a ring (6 Damage).
        o Lose one food & item (harpoon or lucky charm).
- If you did not have two gold pieces:
        o Leave the cathedral.
        o Tell it your story.
        o Ask it for luck (+4 Luck).
- Examine the huge coral formation in the distance.
- Try to hide in a niche in the coral wall.
- Use food to heal to full & use a Toolfish.
- Use the Sawfish (-2 Skill & -10 Stamina to Kraken).
- Try something different.
- Attack with your sword.
- Fight Sk 8 St 20 Kraken.
- Take 3 Black Pearls (+3 Luck).
- You possess an unmelting crystal of ice.
- You wish to be taken to the pirate ship.
- Fish Island.
- Use the Black Pearls you have gathered.
- Derd-nu-Heno backwards = One Hundred. Turn to para 100.
- You threw down eight pearls.
- You defeated the pirates, took their ship and have secured all their treasure on board!

[Sunil]

Looking at the moving pictures reveals the Pirates are at Fish Island (a fish-shaped island).

[johnbrawn1972]

-If you explore the sunken courtyard instead
-If you go into the large building to confront the watchers
-Lucky charm(automatically lucky and no luck cost)Go upward
-1st Barracuda sk6 st4 2nd Barracuda sk6 st6 2nd Barracuda sk5 st6. 4gp. If you go back down
8 meals 14st-12st-8st-6st-14st 4gp
-If you go to the left
-If you fight them
-1st Skeleton sk8 st5(use 1 luck for extra damage)2nd Skeleton sk7 st6(if stamina=2 use 1 luck to reduce damage)
14st-8st-2st 5L
- 4 Black Pearls. If you ignore it and leave the room
4 pearls
-If you would prefer to swim up and out of the building
-A huge red-coloured dome with a broken roof
-If you swim down towards the floor of the arena
-Harpoon. Swim towards the ground-level exits
-If you swim towards it
-If you talk to him
-Offer gold
-If you will pay that price
-Sawfish -2gp. Glowfish -2gp
0gp
-Listen to the voice
-If you help him
- +2 luck. 1gp. -/2 stamina. 1d6 1-2=Healing Potion(use immediately) 3-4=If you feel lucky enough to open the bottle. Use lucky charm +1 initial skill and initialise. 5-6=Keep the bottle unopened
8 meals 7S=2st-1st-14st
5 meals 8S=2st-1st-13st
5 meals 7S=2st-1st-13st 1gp 7L
-Attack with your sword
-Grouper sk8 st12(hit twice)
6 meals 7S=14st-8st-14st
3 meals 8S=13st-9st-14st
3 meals 7S=13st-7st-14st
-If you lift the crown from the statue’s head
-Fight the Statue
-Statue sk6 st16(if stamina=2 use 1 luck to reduce damage)Jade crown
4 meals 7S=14st-6st-14st
2 meals 8S=14st-10st-14st
1 meal 7S=14st-6st-14st 6L
-If you try to open it
- 3d6 <=stamina=ok >stamina=-1 stamina
7S=14st-13st
8S=14st-13st
7S=14st-13st
-If you possess a Glowfish
-Swim upstream
- -1 stamina. If you press ahead
7S=13st-12st
8S=13st-12st
7S=13st-12st
- -1 stamina
7S=12st-11st
8S=12st-11st
7S=12st-11st
-Attempt to parley
-If you have such a Pearl
-Give the Elemental a Pearl
3 pearls
- +1 initial luck and initialise. Ice crystal. If you go up and see what happened
8L
- 2 Black Pearls. If you go back down through the Elemental’s chamber and the coral grotto
5 pearls
- -1 stamina
3 meals 7S=11st-10st-14st
1 meal 8S=11st-10st-14st
0 meals 7S=11st-10st-14st
-If you continue downstream
-Leave and continue downstream
-If you go down
-If you go left
-Swim out over the city
-A huge palace with striped domes
-Swim slowly down and hail them
-Offer him the jade crown
-Bracelets +1 attack strength
7(+1)S/8(+1)S
-If you investigate the ship first
-If you investigate
-Use lucky charm if possible 2d6 <=luck=Kill the clam with your sword. Silver Pearl. -2 stamina. Sea Spider sk7 st10 >luck=-1 stamina. Kill clam -2 stamina. Sea Spider sk7 st10. Silver Pearl(if stamina=2 use 1 luck to reduce damage)
2 meals 7(+1)S=14st-12st-6st-10st
2 meals 7(+1)S=14st-13st-11st-5st-9st
1 meal 8(+1)S=14st-12st-10st
1 meal 8(+1)S=14st-13st-11st-9st
0 meals 7(+1)S=14st-12st-6st
0 meals 7(+1)S=14st-13st-11st-5st 6L
-The treasure-hold/Look for the treasure-hold
- 1gp. If you have not already checked the captain’s cabin
2gp
-or you can leave
-If you go to the left
-If you ignore the fountain and go on
-If you sample a fruit
- +2 stamina
1 meal 7(+1)S=10st-12st-14st
1 meal 7(+1)S=9st-11st-14st
0 meals 8(+1)S=10st-12st-14st
0 meals 8(+1)S=9st-11st-14st
0 meals 7(+1)S=6st-8st
0 meals 7(+1)S=5st-7st
-If you go around to the front and meet the old man
-If you possess something bearing that name=stamina and luck to initial. If not=If you wait and see
0 meals 7(+1)S=8st-14st
0 meals 7(+1)S=7st-14st 8L
-If your answer is ‘Yes’
-If your answer is ‘Yes’
-Potion of Fortune
- +1 initial luck and initialise(use immediately)
9L
-If you would rather not meet the Sea Dragon
-If you investigate the little house
-If you examine the Anemones
-Attack the Anemones
-If not
-Anemones sk7 st14
7(+1)S=14st-6st
8(+1)S=14st-10st
7(+1)S=14st-6st
-If you open it
- +1 initial stamina and initialise. If you take the dagger
-Swiftstinger(turn 215 to use)
-If you do not
- +4 stamina or 1 meal. Shout insults and challenge the Ogre to a fair fight
-Sea Ogre sk7 st18
2 meals 7(+1)S=15st-5st
1 meal 8(+1)S=15st-9st
1 meal 7(+1)S=15st-5st
- +2 provisions. If you take the ring
- +2 stamina. +2 initial stamina
2 meals 7(+1)S=5st-7st-15st
2 meals 8(+1)S=9st-11st-15st
1 meal 7(+1)S=5st-7st-15st
-Attack them
-1st Giant Crab sk7 st11(use 1 luck for extra damage and if lucky use 1 luck for extra damage) 2nd Giant Crab sk8 st10(turn 215)
7(+1)S=15st-9st
8(+1)S=15st-11st
7(+1)S=15st-9st 7L
-Sample the crab meat yourself
- +4 stamina. Crab claw. If you leave
7(+1)S=9st-13st
8(+1)S=11st-15st
7(+1)S=9st-13st
-Towards a distant sunken cathedral
-Look around the cathedral
-If you would rather explore the interior further
-If you would rather stay and look at more pictures
-Ask him what is going on here
-If you have the price
-If you want to take a lesson
- -2gp. +2 stamina or =10(whichever higher)Cyrano sk11 st10
0 meals 7(+1)S=13st-15st-9st-17st
0 meals 8(+1)S=15st-17st-11st-17st
0 meals 7(+1)S=13st-15st-9st-13st 0gp
- +2 initial skill and initialise
-Offer them some food
-If you possess a Crab’s claw
- +2 luck. If you examine the huge coral formation in the distance
9L
-Try to hide in a niche in the coral wall
-Use a Toolfish
-The Sawfish
- -10 stamina and -2 skill to enemy. If you want to try something different
-Attack with your sword
-Kraken sk10 st30(use 3 luck for extra damage)
9(+1)S=17st-13st
10(+1)S=17st-15st
9(+1)S=13st-9st 6L
- +3 luck. 3 Black Pearls
8 pearls 9L
-If you possess an unmelting crystal of ice
-If you wish to be taken to the pirate ship
-Fish Island
-Use the Black Pearls you have gathered
-turn 100
-Eight or more

[CharlesX]

Points to johnbrawn1972 for being very different to Champskees but I believe his solution would be tougher (get fewer victories) than Champskees one irrespective of one's starting stats, as it has several considerable fights that weren't in Champkees suggested solution.

[johnbrawn1972]

Jun 16, 2023 7:25:03 GMT CharlesX said:

Points to johnbrawn1972 for being very different to Champskees but I believe his solution would be tougher (get fewer victories) than Champskees one irrespective of one's starting stats, as it has several considerable fights that weren't in Champkees suggested solution.

That is probably right. I was scouting an iron turtle system but in the end I think the additions do not outweigh the risks. If this creates any further posts I think this is worth it though the directness of the original is hard to beat.

[banananinja]

call me crazy, but you can still be taught by cyrano even without any gold?

[CharlesX]

Jul 22, 2023 16:22:58 GMT banananinja said:

call me crazy, but you can still be taught by cyrano even without any gold?

As I recall if you do not have the gold, he does not give it to you for nothing (like a "free lunch"), although I do not have the book with me so any citation to the contrary would disprove this (if this is the case, please do not call me an idiot in the normal tradition of the internet).

[banananinja]

Jul 22, 2023 16:27:44 GMT CharlesX said:

Jul 22, 2023 16:22:58 GMT banananinja said:

call me crazy, but you can still be taught by cyrano even without any gold?

As I recall if you do not have the gold, he does not give it to you for nothing (like a "free lunch"), although I do not have the book with me so any citation to the contrary would disprove this (if this is the case, please do not call me an idiot in the normal tradition of the internet).

Im currently reading the book. unless i misunderstand, he will dashingly teach you even without any price. but please more senior member to verify my claim.

[a moderator]

Jul 22, 2023 16:31:11 GMT banananinja said:

Jul 22, 2023 16:27:44 GMT CharlesX said:

As I recall if you do not have the gold, he does not give it to you for nothing (like a "free lunch"), although I do not have the book with me so any citation to the contrary would disprove this (if this is the case, please do not call me an idiot in the normal tradition of the internet).

Im currently reading the book. unless i misunderstand, he will dashingly teach you even without any price. but please more senior member to verify my claim.

Banananinja is correct.

"Cyrano knows well what it is like to be penniless. I will instruct you anyway, for the love of the art."

Note that the book does not allow you to pretend to have no money if you do have the wherewithal to pay.

[CharlesX]

A very rough % chance of completing an FF worked out by extrapolating Champskees Table Skill, 3 permutations for Stamina and Luck.

Demons Of The Deep Odds of Victory 89.66%

Technically 89.65(545recurring)%

Yes, Demons Of The Deep has a non-ridiculous difficulty curve. There are absolutely more than enough FF for players who 'want a challenge'.