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Post by marblefigure on Apr 27, 2019 18:34:26 GMT
Regret to say that although I liked the wacky premise of this one, it's broken and unplayable by the rules. It's a challenge, but I believe I know how it could be fixed, gameplaywise. As with a lot of fighting fantasy entries, the skill range should be 10-12. It's the same with a lot of them. 7-9 skill avatars don't stand the ghost of a chance. That particular change should be applied to a great many of them. After that, the player character should be well equipped before going into the Dungeon. Definitely given provisions and two potions: one luck potion, like the one in Howl of the Werewolf which also gives a free luck test autopass, and one stamina potion. The skill 11 characters should get extra help - a sharpened sword to give them the 'edge' literally and figuratively. The skill 10 characters should get a sword with a serrated blade, that would do 5 stamina damage instead of the standard 2 stamina. I know that's anachronistic, given the technology on Titan, but there are other anachronisms in the series - cannon in Demons of the Deep, guns in Howl of the Werewolf etc. Then the Siren encounter needs tidying up. It should be possible to take a luck test and the lucky players should get grabbed by the squid thing that breaks the Siren's spell and can't put up much of a fight.
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Post by vagsancho on Aug 21, 2020 20:48:11 GMT
Am i the only one here that previously to beginning Trial of Champions, i make about 30 pushups to prepare myself to the journey?
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Post by daredevil123 on Aug 21, 2020 20:53:01 GMT
Am i the only one here that previously to beginning Trial of Champions, i make about 30 pushups to prepare myself to the journey? Yes.
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Post by tyrion on Aug 21, 2020 20:54:42 GMT
Am i the only one here that previously to beginning Trial of Champions, i make about 30 pushups to prepare myself to the journey? Me too. Also 30 seated sit ups, 30 burpees and at least three minutes of bring Sally up
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Post by Wilf on Aug 22, 2020 3:03:15 GMT
Adventuring Wilf would probably do this. Real Life Wilf has probably never done 30 pushups in his entire lifetime!
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Post by vagsancho on Nov 15, 2020 11:25:19 GMT
Trial of Champions must be in my top 5. Brutal book. Deathtrap Dungeon, although being a perfect book, is out of my top 5.
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Post by vagsancho on Nov 16, 2020 11:26:36 GMT
Trial of Champions must be in my top 5. Brutal book. Deathtrap Dungeon, although being a perfect book, is out of my top 5. I think, that Livingstone had the feeling that trial of Champions was probably his most absolute masterpiece when he "dedicated" it to Steve Jackson.
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Post by slloyd14 on Jul 10, 2022 21:08:18 GMT
I like a good Deathtrap Dungeon, but I think the arena bit goes on for a bit too long. I think it has less variety than a longer dungeon.
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Post by IoannesKantakouzenos on Jul 13, 2022 14:39:32 GMT
Why is it that the two books that return to a previously portrayed location (this and Firetop Mountain) have to include an introductory part where you fight to reach the aforementioned place?
Also, there was no illustration of Lord Carnuss (if you disregard the cameos at the cover and at the final fight with the Southerner). And I know that the Dungeon was completely rebuilt from top to bottom (in only one year? I'd like to have those builders here to work for me, yikes!), but I'd like to see something still being the same as it was on DD, just to make it feel like it's the same place. If we look at the maps of both dungeons, not even the underground rivers match...
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Post by vastariner on Mar 13, 2024 21:48:37 GMT
Just had a thought about the original edition's cover.
What's the mistake there?
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Post by IoannesKantakouzenos on Mar 14, 2024 12:44:38 GMT
The shield having a blade etched in the middle of it?
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Post by vastariner on Mar 14, 2024 14:21:37 GMT
No - must have been some use as a clubbing weapon, given there is blood on it.
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Post by IoannesKantakouzenos on Mar 14, 2024 14:30:11 GMT
Thing is, in (94) that shield is described merely as "a small shield", without reference to the blade thing. At least, for me it never made much sense.
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Post by Per on Mar 14, 2024 15:08:30 GMT
The text merely mentions blindfolds, not metal masks?
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Post by vastariner on Mar 14, 2024 18:22:10 GMT
It's sort of the blindfolds.
The cover is the character's eye view of the arena - but the character cannot see it...
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Post by kieran on Mar 14, 2024 20:07:49 GMT
It's sort of the blindfolds. The cover is the character's eye view of the arena - but the character cannot see it... The picture is actually not of the group the player character is in, it's the one the Southerner is in as it depicts 3 of the other combatants mentioned as being in that group: the man-orc, the warrior woman and the dwarf.
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Post by vastariner on Mar 14, 2024 21:45:57 GMT
The Southerner IS a character...
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Post by IoannesKantakouzenos on Mar 14, 2024 21:50:02 GMT
... but it's not THE character of the book.
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Post by Per on Mar 15, 2024 0:07:42 GMT
A count shows about half of the covers up to ToC don't show an in-game scene from the viewpoint of the main character.
Original Warlock, Citadel, City, House, Freeway and Appointment show scenes not in the book. Some of them could presumably have been seen by someone at some point but City at least is rather stylized.
Starship shows a scene from the book, but you are in the picture and the perspective is too low to be that of a spectator. Similarly Seas either shows an unrelated Hydra attack or it's seen by a random passing seagull (who might then also hurry on to spectate at Blood Island).
Not sure what's shown in Rings or Planet.
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Post by Pete Byrdie on Mar 16, 2024 8:46:59 GMT
I think the approach to internal illustrations for a gamebook (or, at least, FF) is to support the second person descriptions with first person images. The approach to many of the cover illustrations is more in line with the 'Buy me, I'm about this kind of stuff,' style of paperbacks generally.
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Post by paperexplorer on Mar 29, 2024 6:55:07 GMT
Rings is Zera Gross
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Post by Per on Mar 29, 2024 15:43:41 GMT
From a scene in the book, or something that might have happened off-paragraph?
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Post by paperexplorer on Mar 31, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
Chapman's descriptions are sparse and no doubt the artist embellished, but it seems a clear image of reference 360 to me
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Post by scouserob on Apr 6, 2024 13:48:34 GMT
Chapman's descriptions are sparse and no doubt the artist embellished, but it seems a clear image of reference 360 to me Terry Oakes, the cover artist, describes the picture as a fat man based on a thin man, see here on the The Rings of Kether thread.
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