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Post by thealmightymudworm on Jul 25, 2020 22:41:09 GMT
The Labour Party in 2019?
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 7:05:24 GMT
That is not the answer. One person can "win in life", and at the same time, win in experience. Same way, one person can lose in life, without winning in experience, as when we see a person comitting the same mistakes again and again and again.
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Post by linflas on Jul 26, 2020 7:47:19 GMT
Slimming diet.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 10:47:44 GMT
Very, very interesting. I had to think a lot in this one. That is not the right answer, and i will tell you why i think it does not fit. If one makes a slimming diet, and if one wins the diet, loses weight. But this riddle is not a play of words, even if it is a right play of words. Let me explain: If one wins - (wins the slimming diet), one loses weight (but although the word loses is here, that is in fact also a win, because the goal in that case is precisely to lose weight).
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Post by tyrion on Jul 26, 2020 11:55:59 GMT
War.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 15:23:37 GMT
War? That is not the original solution. But let me think: If I win a war, do I lose something? Men perhaps, from my army, who died in the battle. But what if I win the war without losing any men? Have I lost anything? A little vague for me. And what if I lose a war, do I win something? Experience maybe? But supposing I died in the war in which I lost, is there any victoy in my defeat?
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Post by sylas on Jul 26, 2020 16:00:16 GMT
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was Banana.
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Post by a moderator on Jul 26, 2020 18:34:29 GMT
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was Banana. It can't be that: vagsancho already said the answer had two words. Could be electric banana, of course.
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Post by Wilf on Jul 26, 2020 19:56:15 GMT
War? That is not the original solution. But let me think: If I win a war, do I lose something? Men perhaps, from my army, who died in the battle. But what if I win the war without losing any men? Have I lost anything? A little vague for me. And what if I lose a war, do I win something? Experience maybe? But supposing I died in the war in which I lost, is there any victoy in my defeat? If war is too generic, how about nuclear war? Mutually assured destruction is surely both a victory and a defeat at the same time, and averting it both a defeat and a victory?
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Post by sylas on Jul 26, 2020 20:16:36 GMT
Human Sacrifice
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Post by Wilf on Jul 26, 2020 21:12:55 GMT
You are the hero of Slaves Of The Abyss.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 22:56:56 GMT
War? That is not the original solution. But let me think: If I win a war, do I lose something? Men perhaps, from my army, who died in the battle. But what if I win the war without losing any men? Have I lost anything? A little vague for me. And what if I lose a war, do I win something? Experience maybe? But supposing I died in the war in which I lost, is there any victoy in my defeat? If war is too generic, how about nuclear war? Mutually assured destruction is surely both a victory and a defeat at the same time, and averting it both a defeat and a victory? Nuclear war is not the answer to the riddle. It says: "... If i lose, i win" But if all mankind dies, including me, how could i win?
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 23:03:58 GMT
You are the hero of Slaves Of The Abyss. Fantastic ending!! and well seen, but that is not the answer. I understand that a person could feel the winning as a defeat (i for example, do not feel like a defeat,but its just me), but the second part "my defeat is my victory" i think it doesn't fit, simply because if i lose in that book (even in real life) i will certainly dont feel it as a victory.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 26, 2020 23:34:37 GMT
That is not the original answer. But why?
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Post by sylas on Jul 27, 2020 0:06:08 GMT
A person can give his life for what he believes is the greater good. He can achieve the ultimate victory by paying the ultimate price. It's obviously situational though.
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Post by The Count on Jul 27, 2020 0:11:44 GMT
Stalemate
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2020 6:45:40 GMT
Weight loss (if you are overweight and then lose weight, you can "win" your ideal weight)?
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Post by Wilf on Jul 27, 2020 9:20:42 GMT
The word is defeat, not loss. Losing weight is a victory, not a defeat.
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2020 9:33:45 GMT
The word is defeat, not loss. Losing weight is a victory, not a defeat. Ah fair point.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 27, 2020 16:21:06 GMT
That is not the answer to the riddle. Almost fits but in my opinion it doesn't fit. Let me see: If i need to sacrifice myself to, let us say, to save another man or a complete city of even mankind, yes i do believe its perfecty acceptable that there can be a victory and a defeat. But in the second vertent of the riddle - if i do not have the courage to sacrifice myself in such conditions, what do i win? My life? Staying alive? In my opinion that can not be acceptable as a victory.
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Post by sylas on Jul 27, 2020 18:24:28 GMT
I meant Self Sacrifice as Human Sacrifice sounds like something from House of Hell. The Defeat part is obviously the loss of one's own life, the Victory is who or what you save in the process.
It may not be THE answer you want but, I do not see how the second line is any different from the first unless there is something lost in translation. Also, I think it is due time to enlighten us with the real answer as we are running out of straws to grasp at.
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Post by schlendrian on Jul 27, 2020 18:44:09 GMT
You're a person playing chess against yourself Sylas, I do think there is considerable difference between the two lines. Phyrros of Epiros won a battle (an objective victory) that he interpreted as also being a loss - his victory was a defeat. He did not have a loss that to him was also a victory, therefore the second line does not apply, therefore the answer is not 'Phyrros'. I do concur that this riddle has been going on long enough.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 28, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
My victory is my defeat. My defeat is my victory. Who am i?
As i said, i will not give the logical original answer to this riddle, because it is a crucial part of a fighting fantasy gamebook i am making. And that's the reason i am testing its difficulty. But even so, if somebody give me the right answer, i will admit it.
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Post by tyrion on Jul 28, 2020 17:25:04 GMT
My victory is my defeat. My defeat is my victory. Who am i? As i said, i will not give the logical original answer to this riddle, because it is a crucial part of a fighting fantasy gamebook i am making. And that's the reason i am testing its difficulty. But even so, if somebody give me the right answer, i will admit it. I think we can all agree it is very difficult and if you put it into a gamebook everyone will hate you for it. Unless there are options like: The actual answer, turn to 134 Bow down and worship razaak, turn to 372 Saw your own arm off and beat yourself to death with it, turn to 58
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Post by sylas on Jul 28, 2020 21:22:30 GMT
Also be wary of riddles with answers that only make sense to yourself and no one else.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 28, 2020 22:25:11 GMT
Also be wary of riddles with answers that only make sense to yourself and no one else. I am not the creator of the riddle. I was just a little fascinated by it after knowing the answer. Which, at least after knowing, seemed to me quite logic and simple.
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Post by deadshadowrunner on Jul 28, 2020 23:21:09 GMT
I am not the creator of the riddle. I was just a little fascinated by it after knowing the answer. Which, at least after knowing, seemed to me quite logic and simple. Did you solve the riddle yourself or just look at the answer? The answer may seem logical and simple after you know it but figuring it out is a completely different story. Many riddles make you go "Oh, why didn't I think of that" after you see the answer but really you would never be able to guess it in a million years.
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Post by Wilf on Jul 28, 2020 23:42:41 GMT
You are Kull.
He defeated Razaak only to be turned into a skeleton. Had he failed, though, Razaak would have conquered all Allansia, and I reckon you'd count that as a victory!!!
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 29, 2020 7:57:31 GMT
You are Kull. He defeated Razaak only to be turned into a skeleton. Had he failed, though, Razaak would have conquered all Allansia, and I reckon you'd count that as a victory!!! if he didn't kill Razzak, Razaak would have conquered all Allansia. (in my opinion, that's two defeats right there).
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Post by The Count on Jul 30, 2020 0:02:37 GMT
Ian Livingstone
If you beat one of his books, it's a victory and a defeat If you fail, it's a victory and a defeat If it's Crypt or Zombies, you have cheated so it's both If it's Spellbreaker, it's not him you are annoyed at so it's both
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