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Post by hallucination on May 26, 2024 14:07:19 GMT
Rebel Planet has you rolling for AS against a single robot, the Street Fighter in 190. nice one!
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Post by hallucination on May 26, 2024 14:07:45 GMT
an Incensed Innkeeper in MagehunterWould have fallen afoul of the Russ Nicholson ban anyhoo. of course! silly me
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Post by hallucination on May 26, 2024 14:13:02 GMT
Well here we go. Last question - skill 13+ Big Bads
Return to Firetop Mountain - Gabe - 1 Curse of the Mummy - evilwizard - 1 House of Hell - scouserob - 1 Stormslayer - trialmaster - 1 Creature of Havoc - sylas - 1 Sorcery! 3 Seven Serpents - Peter - 1 Sorcery! 4 Crown of Kings - vastariner - 1 Appointment with FEAR - petch, kieran, Peter’s wife - 3
We finish with a three-way pile up on Appointment and everyone else wraps up the game with a unique answer.
Some of these books contain multiple skill 13+ adversaries, like Stormslayer, but these are the ones that players referenced: Return - Mutant Beast Lord: skill 14, stamina 14 Curse - Akharis: skill 13, stamina 25 House - Hell Demon: skill 14, stamina 12 Stormslayer - Greater Air Elemental: skill 15, stamina 20 Creature - Master of Hellfire: skill 14, stamina 14 Serpents - Fire Serpent: skill 13, stamina 12 Crown - God-Headed Hydra: skill 17, stamina 24 Appointment - the Titanium Cyborg: skill 18, stamina 20 Appointment - the Devastator: skill 14, stamina 12
An untapped answer is Eye of the Dragon (Black Dragon: skill 14, stamina 18) and, well, Gates of Death. The skill 400, stamina 800 Demon Horde in Gates can’t be fought at that those stats, but I believe it can be fought at skill 40. *** So, congratulations to our winners sylas and trialmaster !!!
sylas - 17 trialmaster - 17 Gabe - 18 Peter - 18 scouserob - 20 kieran - 21 evilwizard - 22 Peter’s wife - 22 petch - 24 vastariner - 50
Honourable mention goes to Peter for tying with trialmaster on the largest number of unique answers given (6). Not far behind, Gabe and scouserob each gave 5.
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kieran
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Post by kieran on May 26, 2024 14:47:01 GMT
Well, at least I had a good start. Wasn't sure if my dragon answer would be acceptable but seems I got away with it. Thanks Hallucination and well done to Sylas and Trialmaster.
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Post by scouserob on May 26, 2024 15:25:37 GMT
Congratulations to sylas and trialmaster! 🏆🏆
Huge thanks to hallucination for being the quiz master this time around. I enjoyed it immensely. 😀👍🏻 (Despite my mid-table finish.)
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sylas
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"Don't just adventure for treasure; treasure the adventure!"
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Post by sylas on May 26, 2024 16:17:47 GMT
Thanks for a fun round hallucination. That was an unexpected joint victory. Well done everyone.
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trialmaster
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Post by trialmaster on May 26, 2024 16:27:56 GMT
Thanks for the excellent round hallucination. Surprised to be joint winner after a fairly slow start. The turning point was avoiding the city of thieves pile up on the shopkeeper question!
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Post by Per on May 26, 2024 16:39:13 GMT
For reasons I compiled an index of games from this thread: kieran, Feb 2022, page 1, winner: Wilfpetch, Mar 2022, page 2, winner: Gabe Fandangosylas, Apr 2022, page 3, winner: thealmightymudwormPeter, Apr 2022, page 5, winner: CharlesXgreenspine, May 2022, page 8, winners: Gabe Fandango, kieran, vastarinerpetch, May 2022, page 10, winner: adriusWilf, Jun 2022, page 12, winner: thealmightymudwormCharlesX, Jun 2022, page 14, winner: petchphilsadler, Jun 2022, page 17, winner: petchWilf, Jul 2022, page 20, winners: adrius, kierangreenspine, Jul 2022, page 22, winners: Gabe Fandango, petchphilsadler, Aug 2020, page 23, winner: sylasGabe Fandango, Sep 2022, page 25, winner: vastarinerpetch, Oct 2022, page 28, winners: adrius, evilwizardCharlesX, Nov 2022, page 29, winner: terrysaltsylas, Dec 2022, page 30, winner: Peter’s wifeadrius, Jan 2023, page 31, winners: evilwizard, petchKing Gillibran, Jan 2023, page 32, winners: hallucination, trialmastersylas, Aug 2023, page 33, winner: Peter's wifePeter, Aug 2023, page 34, winner: petchpetch, Sep 2023, page 36, winner: Wizard Slayergreenspine, Oct 2023, page 37, winners: sylas / evilwizard, sylasGabe Fandango, Nov 2023, page 39, winner: Peterhallucination, May 2024, page 40, winners: sylas, trialmasterPer, May 2024, page 41, winner: petchGabe Fandango, Jun 2024, page 43, winner: Peter's wifepetch, Jun 2024, page 44, winner: adrius
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Post by CharlesX on May 26, 2024 18:11:01 GMT
Hi Per
Where my second round running I did all right as Master (I got the maths all right except for giving Kieran 1 point too many around the last question), the first time I got the maths hopelessly wrong and had to be bailed out, I underestimated the amount of work that had to be done being a Master. The winner was not thealmighty mudworm.
Petch - 12
Thealmightymudworm - 13
Bloodbeasthandler -14 Sylas - 14
Tyrion - 15
Kieran - 16 Greenspine - 16
Wilf - 18 Philsadler - 18 Vastariner - 18
Adrius - 19 Peter - 19
Gabe Fandango - 20
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Post by Per on May 26, 2024 18:30:51 GMT
Hi Per Where my second round running I did all right as Master (I got the maths all right except for giving Kieran 1 point too many around the last question), the first time I got the maths hopelessly wrong and had to be bailed out, I underestimated the amount of work that had to be done being a Master. The winner was not thealmighty mudworm. Got it, edited!
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Post by Per on May 26, 2024 18:59:50 GMT
So I'm stealing petch's image chase idea, since I liked it. There will be a few minor rules differences though, so read this unless you like to live dangerously.
The scope is only the 59 FF books published by Puffin, as published by Puffin. No Sorcery!, no CotP, no new releases from Wizard onwards, no reissues with new artwork.
The penalty for a wrong answer, should that be necessary, is the median of three numbers: the number of contestants; the square root of the number of contestants, rounded up; and double the highest score for any correct answer given on the question. This isn't as convoluted as it sounds: basically double someone else's highest score but apply upper and lower bounds, so depending on circumstances, a wrong answer does not necessarily mean losing all chance of winning. (Example: With 10 players, the score for a wrong answer will be the minimum of 4 if the biggest valid pile-up is 1 or 2; 6 or 8 for a pile-up of 3 or 4, respectively; and the maximum of 10 points for a pile-up of 5 through 9.)
"Backup answers" will not be considered. If a clarification should regrettably be deemed necessary, it will be given publicly after which everyone will be allowed to change their answer for that question if desired (and the deadline extended if necessary).
Your quiz-task: for each question-item in this list of ten, identify a single full-page illustration for a numbered paragraph depicting within it:
1: a length of chain with at least three unbroken links visible
2: a living (animated, demonic etc.) creature with a shield held or worn on an arm
3: a frog or toad
4: at least two sets of stairs of at least five steps each
5: no fewer than three presumably human SKELETONS!
6: a volcano emitting lava or smoke
7: a map
8: a whip
9: a clearly operational video display
10: a creature being physically assaulted or threatened by an airborne enemy
Answers should be submitted to me by PM before midnight BST on Sunday, June 2nd, that is to say you have one week and a few more hours.
Each answer given by a contestant must be from a different book. (If someone does break this rule or picks an ineligible book I will let them know.) Please include book and section numbers with your submitted answers for ease of verification.
I haven't researched some of these very well! Hopefully it'll be fine! Good luck!
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Post by petch on May 27, 2024 8:40:16 GMT
Apologies for the late reply but thanks hallucination, a fun and neat idea for a round! Congrats to sylas and trialmaster.
After finishing rank bottom in the previous two rounds I will consider my second to last finish as some kind of an improvement at least.
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Wildy
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Favourite Gamebook Series: Fighting Fantasy
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Post by Wildy on May 27, 2024 9:16:56 GMT
Great game and congrats to the previous winners! I would like to participate to the new one but I’m missing the 5 posts required to pm (being a very long time lurker and only recently created an account). Any chance you could pm me first, Per?
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Post by petch on May 27, 2024 11:34:45 GMT
Yay, a new player. Welcome aboard Wildy
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Post by scouserob on May 27, 2024 11:52:56 GMT
Great game and congrats to the previous winners! I would like to participate to the new one but I’m missing the 5 posts required to pm (being a very long time lurker and only recently created an account). Any chance you could pm me first, Per? Welcome Wildy Someone else to push me down the Unique Answers leaderboard next time around. 😂 If you only need 4 more posts then maybe post something in the Introduce Yourself thread and then find three other interesting threads such as the FF Public Library, What are you Reading now etc., where a quick post would be both warranted and desired? That would boost your post count high enough.
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Post by Per on May 27, 2024 12:47:27 GMT
Answers received from Gabe Fandango, petch and Wildy.
I also edited the deadline to specify BST, so it's midnight for the British Islanders and continental Portugallians, an hour extra for the Central Europeans, several hours extra for the Aussies, and several hours fewer for the poor Americanians.
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Post by CharlesX on May 27, 2024 13:18:38 GMT
Great game and congrats to the previous winners! I would like to participate to the new one but I’m missing the 5 posts required to pm (being a very long time lurker and only recently created an account). Any chance you could pm me first, Per? Welcome Wildy Someone else to push me down the Unique Answers leaderboard next time around. 😂 If you only need 4 more posts then maybe post something in the Introduce Yourself thread and then find three other interesting threads such as the FF Public Library, What are you Reading now etc., where a quick post would be both warranted and desired? That would boost your post count high enough. You must mean FF Pub(l)ic Library. Very good job minding the Newbie off filth. Maybe post in Introduce Yourself about what got you into FF. And what other gamebooks you like.
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Post by Per on May 28, 2024 20:52:12 GMT
Answers received from hallucination and vastariner, thanks everyone for entering.
There are still a number of books nobody picked answers from, but it's too late to have a question where everyone picked the same answer.
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Post by Per on May 30, 2024 20:07:30 GMT
Answers received from kieran and trialmaster. Can we top the 10 players of the previous contest?
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Post by Per on Jun 1, 2024 20:27:36 GMT
Answers received from scouserob, a little over 24 hours remain until the deadline. It's not too late to be the first to reply Crypt of the Vampire 110 to question 5, it would be disallowed, but you'd be first!
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Post by Per on Jun 2, 2024 23:09:27 GMT
The deadline has passed. Answers were additionally received from evilwizard, Peter, Peter's wife, sylas and thealmightymudworm, bringing us to a total of thirteen contestants!
I'll begin posting results tomorrow after engaging in some deep deliberations and putting a couple of gremlins in the spreadsheet. Is the general preference that the results be posted as quickly as possible if it's no trouble, or is there some ideal rate of dripping them out?
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Post by Peter on Jun 3, 2024 5:03:34 GMT
Yes, drip feed them. It builds the tension.
Thank you hallucination. That was a very challenging quiz.
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Post by Per on Jun 3, 2024 16:22:12 GMT
And so we begin with the results. Thanks again to everyone for participating, and apologies in advance for any real or apparent inconsistencies in the rulings. I have a spreadsheet for summing up points between rounds, but I still have to manually enter the points for each round and contestant, so mistakes could happen; if everyone checks their own points I think we should be fine. I also prepared a set of answers of my own, which I will include in a spoilered, highly inofficial alternate universe in each post.
1: a length of chain with at least three unbroken links visible Appointment with F.E.A.R. 171 (Daddy Rich and bling) - Gabe Fandango - 1 Star Strider 130 (hanging chain in warehouse) - petch - 1 Island of the Undead 383 (random hanging chains in alchemical laboratory) - Wildy - 1 Forest of Doom 230 (above Goblin's cage) - vastariner - 1 Revenge of the Vampire 96 (Vampire-Ghost with cloak chain) - trialmaster - 1 Knights of Doom 149 (Beast Man adorned with chains) - kieran - 1 The Warlock of Firetop Mountain 36 (chain with handcuff on cell wall) - scouserob - 1 Dead of Night 1 (chain at bottom of gibbet cage) - sylas - 1 Tower of Destruction 79 (statue with chain whip) - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm - 2 Demons of the Deep 307 (used to suspend Sea Hag's cauldron) - hallucination, Peter, Peter's wife - 3 This was one of the questions that turned out to have more valid answers than expected; I started out by flipping through a handful of books and finding one chain at most in each, then later noticed there are numerous books with one or more examples, in fact I'm sure this is the question for which the greatest number of books in the scope have at least one answer. This did not stop Peter and his wife to clash for what is not the first nor the last time in these contests, taking hallucination with them. I thought that would be it for matches, but then the last two sets submitted also had a match. There's not much of a point to listing unpicked alternatives, but I'll note that if one wanted a chain from Demons, there was also the Deep One king in 208. I was very uncertain about the Appointment answer, since unlike King Seamoss's bling there are no clear links in the drawing and obviously there are necklaces and the like with distinct segments that are connected but not interlinked. In the end I could believe it's supposed to be a highly stylized rendition of some type of cube link chain necklace and/or bracelet and that this is what a man like D.R. would have been carrying around at the time, but to be honest that ruling could have gone either way. After one question we are down to eight players with perfect scores: 1 - Gabe Fandango, kieran, petch, scouserob, sylas, trialmaster, vastariner, Wildy 2 - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm 3 - hallucination, Peter, Peter's wife Dead of Night 42 (chain hanging from caravan lamp) - Per - 1
At first I had picked the one chain I spotted in Spellbreaker, the muzzled bear in 337, but then I figured I should switch to a book with multiple occurrences, and managed to avoid taking the same one from Dead as sylas.
1 - Gabe Fandango, kieran, Per, petch, scouserob, sylas, trialmaster, vastariner, Wildy 2 - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm 3 - hallucination, Peter, Peter's wife
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Post by Per on Jun 3, 2024 16:48:39 GMT
2: a living (animated, demonic etc.) creature with a shield held or worn on an arm Space Assassin 246 (stampeding village aliens) - petch - 1 City of Thieves 307 (Sourbelly and Fatnose) - vastariner - 1 Island of the Lizard King 168 (Hobgoblin guard) - hallucination - 1 Caverns of the Snow Witch 180 (two Centaurs) - scouserob - 1 Creature of Havoc 377 (Rhino-Man number 29) - sylas - 1 Fangs of Fury 221 (Bridge Guard Orc(s)) - evilwizard - 1 Sword of the Samurai 136 (Shikome guards outside Lord Tsietsin's castle) - thealmightymudworm - 1 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 13 (pursued Centaur) - kieran, trialmaster - 2 Phantoms of Fear 348 (Chaotic Orc) - Gabe Fandango, Peter, Peter's wife, Wildy - 4 This was the question deliberately intended to be the counterpart of petch's "crown or hat", one with a very generous selection of answers. So what happens but the first two submissions contains a clash, and then what happens but two more people follow them later on. What is it about that Orc, anyway? The qualifier was meant to narrow things down a touch by excluding statues, engravings or similar such as for instance BNC 195, but not exclude the living dead or other creatures that may or may not be strictly biological; fortunately nobody seemed to interpret this as meaning you had to find a creature that's animated, demonic and etc. all at the same time. Again there are too many alternate options to enumerate, but I think hallucination's choice was gutsy, as had been 139 from the same book. Scores with four perfect ones remaining: 2 - petch, scouserob, sylas, vastariner 3 - evilwizard, kieran, trialmaster, thealmightymudworm 4 - hallucination 5 - Gabe Fandango, Wildy 7 - Peter, Peter's wife Island of the Lizard King 254 (Lizard Man behind Cyclops looking in the wrong direction like a goof) - Per - 1
2 - Per, petch, scouserob, sylas, vastariner 3 - evilwizard, kieran, trialmaster, thealmightymudworm 4 - hallucination 5 - Gabe Fandango, Wildy 7 - Peter, Peter's wife
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Post by evilwizard on Jun 3, 2024 18:13:07 GMT
2: a living (animated, demonic etc.) creature with a shield held or worn on an arm The Keep of the Lich-Lord 13 (pursued Centaur) - kieran, trialmaster - 2 Phantoms of Fear 348 (Chaotic Orc) - Gabe Fandango, Peter, Peter's wife, Wildy - 4 I had three initial pictures in mind for this answer - these were two of them. Luckily I decided against them.
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Post by Per on Jun 3, 2024 19:58:17 GMT
As an additional comment on Q2, petch's idea to find an image in one of the SF titles was sneaky, though also slightly risky in case someone else had the same idea.
3: a frog or toad Sword of the Samurai 138 (toad-being Graalsch and his league of disagreeable pokemans) - hallucination - 1 Deathmoor 275 (Pool Crawler) - kieran - 1 Armies of Death 112 (frog and toad on pet shop counter) - sylas - 1 Dead of Night 348 (demon toad-shaped sword holder) - Gabe Fandango, petch - 2 Island of the Lizard King 128 (Spit Toad in its habitat) - trialmaster, vastariner - 2 Scorpion Swamp 53 (two frog pals flanking the Master of Frogs) - evilwizard, Peter, Peter's wife, scouserob, thealmightymudworm, Wildy - 6 Wildy's attempt at "reverse reverse reverse psychology" seemed to work until five of the last six entrants leapt in to join a six-way frog-up. Gabe Fandango and petch took advantage of the fact that likenesses were not disallowed to pick the same inanimate one. Despite the frog pile, there were at least two unpicked options: Spellbreaker 228 (familiars) and Daggers 130 (witch tossing frog in cauldron). thealmightymudworm noted he'd have switched to Sword 138 if he'd been sure Graalsch's demonic aspect didn't trump his toadness, and I suppose that could not be taken for granted, but then again it's not like Spit Toads and Giant Frogs are real, either. I would however have disallowed the Kreehuls from Prophecy, the Toadmen from Creature, the Grupplers from Undead, the Chrabats from BNC, the Deep Ones from Demons, or any other such examples of froggy humanoids. Upon receiving the answers from Peter and his wife and seeing that the first three questions were all matches, I had a brief sensation of being trolled, and I have to think that Peter pasted his wife's answers into his PM without looking at them to keep the suspense alive, or else he must have exercised superhuman restraint in not adding a comment on the fact. Surely it's the last time that happens in this round though, RIGHT We're getting some real scoring separation after just three questions: 3 - sylas 4 - kieran, petch, vastariner 5 - hallucination, trialmaster 7 - Gabe Fandango 8 - scouserob 9 - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm 11 - Wildy 13 - Peter, Peter's wife Can I also keep a perfect score?
Sword of the Samurai 138 (toad-being Graalsch and his league of disagreeable pokemans) - hallucination, Per - 2
Nope.
3 - sylas 4 - kieran, Per, petch, vastariner 5 - trialmaster 6 - hallucination 7 - Gabe Fandango 8 - scouserob 9 - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm 11 - Wildy 13 - Peter, Peter's wife
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Post by Per on Jun 3, 2024 20:48:11 GMT
4: at least two sets of stairs of at least five steps each I warned you about stairs bro! The Crimson Tide 225 (monks and stairs) - petch - 1 Fangs of Fury 273 (two stairways with Furnace in between) - sylas - 1 Stealer of Souls 169 (Skeletal Warrior and two flights of stairs separated by chamber o' bones) - Peter - 1 Spectral Stalkers 216 (Semeion's courtyard) - thealmightymudworm, trialmaster - 2 Citadel of Chaos 169 (grand hall with stairs) - hallucination, Peter's wife, scouserob - 3 Siege of Sardath 124 (madness-inducing maze) - evilwizard, Gabe Fandango, kieran, vastariner, Wildy - 5 Five people could not tear their gaze from the maddening void and now may want to kick themselves into it for not flipping just a few more pages forward to the city view in 135. Those who went for the conceptually similar maze in Stalkers got off comparably lightly. petch's answer again was very sneaky - I had to read the text to see exactly what was going on with stairs in that image (and the bottom one just barely qualifies unless you count the top as a step). I had to think a bit about Peter's answer, having taken note of it ahead of time. At a glance it may look like a single staircase partially underneath or behind piles of bones, and the text only makes reference to one set of stairs, which could conceivably run around the perimeter of the room. On the other hand, the carpet of bones seems to be rather flat all the way to the wall and the position of the warrior makes no sense any way you look at it, so regardless of the intentions of writer and artist, I think we're looking at two sets, with exactly five visible steps each. I had sort of intended that small non-branching landings would not count as breaking up a flight of stairs into multiple ones, fortunately I didn't have to adjudicate the validity of any answer on that basis. Scores: 4 - sylas 5 - petch 7 - trialmaster 8 - hallucination 9 - kieran, vastariner 11 - scouserob, thealmightymudworm 12 - Gabe Fandango 14 - evilwizard, Peter 16 - Peter's wife, Wildy Deathtrap Dungeon 122 (two stairs and rat skulls) - Per - 1
4 - sylas 5 - Per, petch 7 - trialmaster 9 - hallucination, kieran, vastariner 11 - scouserob, thealmightymudworm 12 - Gabe Fandango 14 - evilwizard, Peter 16 - Peter's wife, Wildy
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kieran
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Post by kieran on Jun 3, 2024 21:02:49 GMT
Dang, I was sure everyone would go Deathtrap Dungeon here.
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Post by Per on Jun 3, 2024 21:07:52 GMT
Dang, I was sure everyone would go Deathtrap Dungeon here. That's why I applied what those of us in the biz call "reverse reverse reverse psychology"
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Post by Peter on Jun 4, 2024 8:39:27 GMT
It wouldn't be fair if we collaborated, so we make sure we find our answers independently, before I type them up and post them together. I couldn't believe it when I saw hers. Over 50 answers for each of the first two, and we picked the same one both times. What are the odds!
I posted the answers in a rush, so I didn't have time to express my dismay in words.
I was starting to think that every book had at least one answer. I think Beneath Nightmare Castle was the first book I looked through that I couldn't find anything.
I did think of Armies of Death ref 400 for Q2. You have to look hard to see it. That would have been better.
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