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Post by scouserob on Jun 4, 2024 8:47:26 GMT
Well that went south rather quickly with questions 3 and 4. 😂🤦🏻♂️ It was all going so well. 😭
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Post by Per on Jun 4, 2024 15:36:28 GMT
I did think of Armies of Death ref 400 for Q2. You have to look hard to see it. That would have been better. That's what I feared when I picked my own answer, that everyone would go for various crowd scenes. Possibly the question could have been improved by adding that the figure had to be alone, or at least that there could only be one shield in the picture.
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Post by Per on Jun 4, 2024 16:03:23 GMT
5: no fewer than three presumably human SKELETONS! Stealer of Souls 331 (chamber o' bones) - Gabe Fandango - 1 Magehunter 190 (three grinning Skeletons) - petch - 1 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 358 (skeletal phalanx behind Mortis) - Wildy - 1 Warlock of Firetop Mountain 36 (three human-looking skeletons in cell muck) - hallucination - 1 Midnight Rogue 150 (two animated Skeletons and one not yet moving) - trialmaster - 1 Stealer of Souls 169 (Skeletal Warrior and more bones) - kieran - 1 Island of the Undead 355 (skeletons in alcoves) - sylas - 1 City of Thieves 385 (three materializing Skeletons) - Peter - 1 The Warlock of Firetop Mountain 287 (scattered bones in Giant Rat room) - Peter's wife - 1 Talisman of Death 396 (five Skeletons, some assembly required for one) - scouserob, vastariner - 2 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 313 (five Skeleton guards under archway) - evilwizard, thealmightymudworm - 2 Some neat picks here (but how could it be otherwise), with sylas going five for five. Stealer 169 becomes the first illustration to be tapped for two different components. Keep 313 has a nice shield also. Both Warlock replies gave me pause to different degrees. 36 at a glance seems to have three skulls that could be human and some random bones, but close inspection will turn up indications in each case that there are at least somewhat intact skeletons in the muck. I had to think a bit more about 287, where the bones are almost completely randomly strewn about, much more than in for instance Stealer 169 or 331; are we even looking at skeletons? On the one hand I'm approving images with skeletons that are only partially visible or intact, on the other hand there's probably a point where bones have been entirely separated and sorted by type into neat piles where I'd be inclined to disallow, so there must be a sliding scale of skeletonness, and here benefit goes to the player, while I try to suppress my feelings that skeletonkind has been slighted somehow, giving Peter's wife her first unique answer (but it's hard to win these things once you slip too far behind). Unpicked answers include but are surely not limited to Fangs 273 (which was already picked for the stairs), Spellbreaker 293 (Danse Macabre), Warlock 383 (boat house), Crypt 139 (graveyard), Deathmoor 321 (valley o' bones) and Creature 356 (Carrion Bug lair). Some images I would not have allowed include Return 210 (Orcs), Masks 335 (just skeletal hands), or any of presumably numerous images containing just multiple skulls. Scores: 5 - sylas 6 - petch 8 - trialmaster 9 - hallucination 10 - kieran 11 - vastariner 13 - Gabe Fandango, scouserob, thealmightymudworm 15 - Peter 16 - evilwizard 17 - Peter's wife, Wildy Talisman of Death 396 (five Skeletons, some assembly required for one) - Per, scouserob, vastariner - 3
I managed to trick myself into thinking I had to pick an image with at least partially animated skeletons, but, well, I'm a fan of those. I strongly considered Rogue 150 also.
5 - sylas 6 - petch 8 - Per, trialmaster 10 - hallucination, kieran 12 - vastariner 13 - Gabe Fandango, thealmightymudworm 14 - scouserob 15 - Peter 16 - evilwizard 17 - Peter's wife, Wildy
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Post by Per on Jun 4, 2024 16:53:50 GMT
6: a volcano emitting lava or smoke This was the one question that turned out to have significantly fewer possible answers than I expected. I figured there'd be at least one decorative volcano somewhere in the background in Seas - there isn't. Sword has a fuming volcano on the cover, what about the corresponding internal illustration? Like the text, it doesn't feature one. Well, at least we have a book set on a tropical island with a volcano venting gas in no fewer than four illustrations, so how many contestants figured they'd leave others to overthink which one of those to pick and instead go for one of the other available options? As it turns out... Island of the Lizard King 82 (smoking volcano as seen from the Lizard King's battlements) - Peter, Peter's wife - 2 Fangs of Fury 325 (the eponymous supposed volcano) - Gabe Fandango, thealmightymudworm, trialmaster - 3 Chasms of Malice 56 (lava-spewing volcano which, when entered, is "very hot") - evilwizard, petch, vastariner - 3 Starship Traveller 145 (volcanic eruption on hell planet, let's look for codes here) - hallucination, kieran, scouserob, sylas, Wildy - 5 All but two, and they chose the same one. For the record, apart from 82 the illustrations from Island that would count are 1, 30 and 48. Fangs 273, which has already turned up for the stairs and bones questions, wants us to believe we're looking at the "core" of the "volcano" in question, but even if that's true, I can see only flames. If anyone knows of any other applicable image, do let us know. And just like that, we have a new leader: 9 - petch 10 - sylas 11 - trialmaster 14 - hallucination, vastariner 15 - kieran 16 - Gabe Fandango, thealmightymudworm 17 - Peter 18 - scouserob 19 - Peter's wife, evilwizard 22 - Wildy Chasms of Malice 56 (lava-spewing volcano which, when entered, is "very hot") - evilwizard, Per, petch, vastariner - 4
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The reason I didn't pick Island 48 was primarily because I didn't want to take advantage of the fact I knew it would be allowed.
10 - petch, sylas 11 - trialmaster 12 - Per 15 - hallucination, kieran 16 - Gabe Fandango, thealmightymudworm, vastariner 17 - Peter 19 - Peter's wife, scouserob 20 - evilwizard 22 - Wildy
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Post by Wildy on Jun 4, 2024 17:41:24 GMT
Great and interesting results! Guess beginner’s luck doesn’t exist in Fighting Fantasy…
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Post by Per on Jun 4, 2024 18:17:45 GMT
As an additional comment on Q6, it would be interesting to hear if there was anything like a "Lizard King effect", where contestants were more inclined to pick an Island answer for one of the other questions because they figured everyone else had blown theirs on the volcano.
7: a map Star Strider 235 (Silverhound route map) - Gabe Fandango - 1 Spectral Stalkers 145 (Metron the Mapmaker's stuff on display) - petch - 1 Revenge of the Vampire 1 (main overland map) - kieran - 1 Island of the Lizard King 149 (old man's remarkably distinctly drawn charcoal map of island) - scouserob - 1 The Warlock of Firetop Mountain 336 (chart on wall in Werewolf's room) - Peter - 1 Masks of Mayhem 240 (Tiger hunt map) - thealmightymudworm, vastariner - 2 Star Strider 208 (London Underground map) - hallucination, sylas - 2 Legend of the Shadow Warriors 282 (map of Karnstein's surroundings) - evilwizard, Peter's wife, Wildy - 3 Wrong answer: Beneath Nightmare Castle 137 (plan of Neuburg) - trialmaster - 6 Another question with quite a few answers in the books: there are maps purely for the player's benefit such as Masks 240 or Dead 156, in-world maps shown in full like the poster in Strider 235, numerous maps shown in context for the player to make use of, and incidental maps littering in the background. Peter's choice for instance was one I didn't see coming at all. kieran had taken note of the fact that the main book map in Revenge faces section 1, though that could have backfired. Arguments to disallow include that maps and illustrations have different copyrights and often different artists (like here), that putting the map opposite section 1 doesn't necessarily make it an internal illustration (some books have no image for section 1, including Vault), and that even if it did, who's to say it's not for section 2? Arguments to allow include that you spend part of section 1 journeying across the landscape shown, and that you'd need to count the map to reach the standard amount of 30 internal illustrations, as if an editor had grabbed the map and said, "come here, you're an internal illustration now". So I'm allowing it, but if you had spent section 1 fighting skeletons in a closet or something, I would not have. trialmaster's answer is the first actually disallowed one and it's a clean case: the rules clearly asked for full-page illustrations. (As already noted by Peter, I'm pretty sure BNC is the only book that doesn't have a single valid answer for the quiz.) Moreover, the unfortunate fact that there was a three-way match among the other answers boosts the penalty from 4 to 6. thealmightymudworm had originally named Fangs 389 (map of the Homrath Caves), but since he'd also used Fangs for question 6, he was asked to modify one answer (as noted in the rules), which could have meant switching to a unique volcano, but instead led to switching to a matching answer here. I won't try to list all the unpicked options, but I'll note that if someone had answered House 358 showing a globe, I'd have allowed that even though it seems all of the internet is telling me globes are not maps by definition. Scores: 10 - petch 12 - sylas 16 - hallucination, kieran, vastariner 17 - Gabe Fandango, trialmaster 18 - Peter, thealmightymudworm 19 - scouserob 22 - Peter's wife, evilwizard 25 - Wildy Citadel of Chaos 374 (maps on and beside Balthus Dire's landscape model table) - Per - 1
11 - petch 12 - sylas 13 - Per 16 - kieran 17 - Gabe Fandango, hallucination, trialmaster 18 - Peter, thealmightymudworm, vastariner 20 - scouserob 22 - Peter's wife 23 - evilwizard 25 - Wildy
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Post by sylas on Jun 4, 2024 19:12:06 GMT
Q6 volcano. I was looking for a different answer when I remembered the volcano in Starship. I didn't realize there were so few other options so went for this not-so-obvious choice. Turns out it was obvious. My alternate answer would've been Lizard King which was the slightly better answer it seems.
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Post by evilwizard on Jun 4, 2024 19:32:13 GMT
7: a map Revenge of the Vampire 1 (main overland map) - kieran - 1 kieran had taken note of the fact that the main book map in Revenge faces section 1, though that could have backfired. This is brilliant! Not only a unique answer, but a unique occurrence in FF, as your first choice happens during the background, and you can play the book without ever visiting Paragraph 1 - or visit several other paragraphs before getting to Paragraph 1
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Post by thealmightymudworm on Jun 4, 2024 23:47:22 GMT
As an additional comment on Q2, petch's idea to find an image in one of the SF titles was sneaky, though also slightly risky in case someone else had the same idea.
3: a frog or toad Sword of the Samurai 138 (toad-being Graalsch and his league of disagreeable pokemans) - hallucination - 1 [...] Scorpion Swamp 53 (two frog pals flanking the Master of Frogs) - evilwizard, Peter, Peter's wife, scouserob, thealmightymudworm, Wildy - 6 [...] Despite the frog pile, there were at least two unpicked options: Spellbreaker 228 (familiars) and Daggers 130 (witch tossing frog in cauldron). thealmightymudworm noted he'd have switched to Sword 138 if he'd been sure Graalsch's demonic aspect didn't trump his toadness, and I suppose that could not be taken for granted, but then again it's not like Spit Toads and Giant Frogs are real, either. This is particularly painful. Aside from Graalsch, which I could just have asked about earlier, I couldn't really think of any pics apart from the ones from Swamp (there are a lot of books I don't own, so this is hardly the first time I've been short of options) and thinking that was quite blatant, looked 'frog' up on Titannica for inspiration. The picture for that entry is the three witches from Daggers. At length though, I decided that a bunch of people might have looked that up and gone for it in a pile-up. The Swamp one on the other hand is so obvious (two big frogs with a frog-a-like for a clearing devoted to frogs and frogginess in a book everyone knows) and choosing it seemed so brazen that at most maybe one other person would go for it. I clearly miscounted my 'reverses'.
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Post by Wildy on Jun 5, 2024 6:31:47 GMT
I’m pretty sure the same happened with the volcano answer from Starship Traveller. I tried looking everywhere (except the obvious Lizard King Island) and when I found it in ST, I really thought “waaater!”.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 15:02:26 GMT
Aside from Graalsch, which I could just have asked about earlier, Remember though that under these rules any clarifications are public, so I'd have posted something here like, "For Q3, fantasy variations of frogs and toads are allowed[, but not humanoid ones]", and it's hard to say how that might have affected other people's choices. I'd be very reluctant to put out a clarification that effectively said "book X section Y is a valid answer". The question itself could have been clearer maybe.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 15:14:55 GMT
8: a whip Moonrunner 29 (Orc overseer whipping Zombies) - Gabe Fandango - 1 Rebel Planet 136 (Arcadian Guard with "whippy") - petch - 1 Spellbreaker 98 (flagellant with cat o' nine tails) - vastariner - 1 Space Assassin 308 (six-armed alien) - scouserob - 1 Spectral Stalkers (coachman holding whip beyond the Conjurer's stage) - Peter's wife - 1 Master of Chaos 1 (Second Mate Orc in a filthy temper) - thealmightymudworm - 1 Masks of Mayhem 281 (Hellfire Spirit) - hallucination, sylas - 2 Legend of Zagor 327 (statue with club and whip) - evilwizard, kieran - 2 Sky Lord 282 (Mutantoid) - Peter, trialmaster, Wildy - 3 Nothing too complicated about this question. The Stalkers answer was a good one, I thought. Some obvious answers from early books that people stayed the heck away from include Warlock 168 (Orc Chieftain), Forest 107 (Fire Demon), and Island 14 and 223 (Lizard Men). I'll note the weird chain whip in Tower 79 which featured in Q1, and on the subject of Sky Lord I figure I'd have allowed 42 even though the weapon is referred to as a flail (and that image also features a nice chain). Scores: 11 - petch 14 - sylas 17 - vastariner 18 - Gabe Fandango, hallucination, kieran 19 - thealmightymudworm 20 - trialmaster, scouserob 21 - Peter 23 - Peter's wife 24 - evilwizard 28 - Wildy Sky Lord 282 (Mutantoid) - Per, Peter, trialmaster, Wildy - 4
12 - petch 14 - sylas 17 - Per 18 - Gabe Fandango, kieran 19 - hallucination, thealmightymudworm, vastariner 21 - scouserob, trialmaster 22 - Peter 23 - Peter's wife 25 - evilwizard 29 - Wildy
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
9: a clearly operational video display Appointment with F.E.A.R. 425 (technological exhibition) - petch - 1 Star Strider 1 (screens in Earth shuttle) - vastariner - 1 Space Assassin 117 (screens with faint text in front of slain Fossniks) - kieran - 1 The Rings of Kether 1 (command screen on your ship clearly being not just a window) - scouserob - 1 Star Strider 10 (Vidnews terminal showing the President) - Peter - 1 Rings of Kether 126 (huge vidiscreens on command room wall) - Gabe Fandango, Wildy - 2 Rebel Planet 251 (screen in mind probe sequence) - hallucination, thealmightymudworm - 2 Star Strider 317 (screen and non-destructed Android) - evilwizard, Peter's wife, trialmaster - 3 Wrong answer: Robot Commando 221 (representation of Wasp Fighter game) - sylas - 6 Here, the "clearly operational" qualifier was meant to exclude a number of blank or shaded monitors randomly featuring in the background of images such as Assassin 48 or 281, or geometric shapes or chequered boxes on consoles that might be screens or might be just panels or controls. For instance, the three small, empty screens in Rings 126 would not have qualified by themselves. petch found the only allowed image in Appointment, with 144 in the same book showing a blank screen. Freeway Fighter does not include a screen (or much of anything else, though you can find a chain in there). Starship 91 is a fairly weird potential example where the text talks about a large screen but the image makes it look more like a window with long graph displays above and below it, though if those are measurements plotted on the displays, the artist's squiggles suggest a complex relationship with the X-axis. sylas noted the possibility that his answer might be invalid for not suggesting any part of a monitor case or surface, and it could be debated whether showing in-world graphics to the reader necessarily implies the presence of a screen as an intermediary, but the issue here is rather that I don't think a monitor is involved at all. From the text it seems to me the game works by some kind of induced virtual reality experience, and the image shown could be either what the player is at some point seeing in the simulation (with the jet being an enemy craft), or, as would be my guess, a general representation of the goings-on in the game for the reader's benefit (with the jet being the protagonist's own craft), but in either case, it's not a video display as such. This impression is reinforced by the fact that a screen, not the screen, displays a game-related message once you stop playing. For this question vastariner supplied the first of two backup answers, which was ignored as per the rules, but if he'd chosen his second answer of Strider 317 as his actual one, that would have shifted him from a unique answer to a four-way clash. And with that, petch seems to be walking away with it: 12 - petch 18 - vastariner 19 - kieran 20 - Gabe Fandango, hallucination, sylas 21 - scouserob, thealmightymudworm 22 - Peter 23 - trialmaster 26 - Peter's wife 27 - evilwizard 30 - Wildy Starship Traveller 273 (Ganzigite commander) - Per - 1
13 - petch 18 - Per 19 - kieran 20 - Gabe Fandango, sylas, vastariner 21 - hallucination, thealmightymudworm 22 - scouserob 23 - Peter 24 - trialmaster 26 - Peter's wife 28 - evilwizard 31 - Wildy
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Post by sylas on Jun 5, 2024 16:38:38 GMT
Q9. I still think it is a video display but I respect your decision.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 18:51:23 GMT
10: a creature being physically assaulted or threatened by an airborne enemy Can petch clash with ten people or so on the last question? Slaves of the abyss 357 (two Ectovults assailing as many Anemori) - Wildy - 1 Fangs of Fury 52 (Dragonmen waving swords at chained boy) - kieran - 1 Spellbreaker 200 (Resistance fighters and Dread Demon) - Peter's wife - 1 Stealer of Souls 1 (Giant Stormbird and sailors) - evilwizard - 1 Portal of Evil 120 (Eagles tearing into Troglodytes) - thealmightymudworm - 1 Sword of the Samurai 294 (Dragon toasting Mantis Demon) - petch, vastariner - 2 Seas of Blood 92 (Roc and crewmen) - scouserob, trialmaster - 2 Battleblade Warrior 47 (Pterodactyl grabbing a guy) - hallucination, sylas - 2 Wrong answers: Chasms of Malice 42 (mice leaping at Tabasha) - Gabe Fandango, Peter - 4 The "physically" qualifier was originally intended to exclude "indirect" attacks such as bombing or shelling people from vehicles like the ZipCar in Strider 98, though I grew increasingly uncertain what distinction exactly I was trying to make: if a Roc swoops down towards some guys it's OK, but if the same Roc starts throwing ZipCars at them it's not? So that didn't come into play for any answer. There are also a couple of answers where the illustration doesn't quite reflect the text - e.g. in Stealer the text makes it clear the bird is only going for you and the others couldn't get targeted if they wanted to - but the chosen images speak for themselves. As for most questions I don't have much in the way of options that didn't already appear above, but I noted two in Prophecy: 8 (Polybleb and traders) and 169 (Sturramak and Prophet). The disqualification of the Chasms answer could likely be debated. I understand the word "airborne" to refer to something that's flying, floating, gliding, etc., but not simply leaping, falling or in mid-stride. This definition, which I'm choosing to enforce, is reflected in some dictionary definitions including Merriam-Webster and Oxford, though the fact that two different people chose the same "incorrect" answer indicates there's a less strict usage of the word to mean just being in the air. If it's any comfort, the penalty means "only" 2 extra points rather than the full 13 that would have been incurred in previous contests. vastariner's second backup answer of Battleblade 47 would have moved him from a 2 to a 3 while taking another point off petch, so I think the moral here is don't do backup answers! Final scores: 14 - petch 20 - kieran, vastariner 22 - hallucination, sylas, thealmightymudworm 23 - scouserob 24 - Gabe Fandango 25 - trialmaster 26 - Peter 27 - Peter's wife 28 - evilwizard 31 - Wildy That wraps up the contest. Congratulations to petch for a clear victory! All told I'm happy with how the questions worked out, several of them had quite a lot of answers but we still got a fair number of clashes, which after all is what makes a contest fun. Of course it helps greatly when we can get a good number of contestants. The volcano question was the one that got a bit cramped, though I like how it played out anyway. I must say I grew to feel increasingly sorry for Wildy, who seemed to almost unerringly get into the biggest pile-ups. I hope you stick around and try again in some other contest! As for the disallowed answers, it can at least be said that any other rulings wouldn't have produced a different winner. I have come to think I should probably have asked trialmaster to resubmit for Q7, and similarly that if I had chosen to disallow kieran's answer on the same question, I should have asked for a new one. You have to draw the line somewhere, but it might be a good principle to ask for a new answer in cases where the reason the first one is considered not to apply has nothing to do with the graphical content. Bonus list of books from which no answer was taken: House of Hell, Freeway Fighter, Temple of Terror, Trial of Champions, Beneath Nightmare Castle, Crypt of the Sorcerer, Daggers of Darkness, Vault of the Vampire, Black Vein Prophecy, Return to Firetop Mountain, Night Dragon, Curse of the Mummy. With the exception of BNC each of them had at least one image that could have been used, mostly chains, a few shields, the odd map and a few other features already mentioned. Fangs of Fury 52 (Dragonmen waving swords at chained boy) - kieran, Per - 2
15 - petch 20 - Per 21 - kieran 22 - sylas, thealmightymudworm, vastariner 23 - hallucination 24 - Gabe Fandango, scouserob 26 - trialmaster 27 - Peter, Peter's wife 29 - evilwizard 32 - Wildy
I did a lot better than it felt like I would as the answers were dropping in and I couldn't help but note each one matching mine. I got into a few biggish clashes, but so did nearly everyone else. It's a bit funny that clashing with kieran specifically on this last question meant retaining solo second place.
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Post by scouserob on Jun 5, 2024 19:07:08 GMT
Wow, Petch absolutely destroyed us! Congratulations. 🏆
Thanks for picture quiz Per. 😎👍🏻 I really enjoyed it, despite those devastating pile ups on questions 3 and 4 ending my hopes. 😭
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Post by vastariner on Jun 5, 2024 19:25:21 GMT
I went for Star Strider for q. 9 because it was the one chance I'd spotted to use paragraph 1. Looked like in-flight entertainment.
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Post by hallucination on Jun 5, 2024 20:10:03 GMT
Great round, thanks Per! Congratulations, petch!
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Post by Wildy on Jun 5, 2024 20:16:34 GMT
Congratulations to petch and thanks to Per for organizing! I’ll try to get my revenge next time!
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Post by petch on Jun 5, 2024 21:30:44 GMT
Thanks Per for the round and the thoroughly entertaining running commentary. Think I benefited from some generous adjudication, particularly for Q4 where I was conscious my answer would go straight into Dubious Answers Corner...as you observed, it's not very clear whether the very bottom of the image constitutes a step or the floor so thanks for the benefit of the doubt on that one.
Elsewhere, my not-especially sophisticated tactic of 'pick as many answers from the sci-fi books as I can' seems to have paid off, although fortunately for me I completely missed the illustration of the volcano in Starship Traveller - had I been more observant I most likely would have been a part of the biggest pileup of Q6.
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Post by sylas on Jun 5, 2024 21:31:51 GMT
Well done petch and thanks Per for the round.
Q10. Doesn't change anything but surprised Ectovults is an acceptable answer.
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Post by kieran on Jun 5, 2024 21:34:55 GMT
Thanks for the game Per and well done, Petch. I'll happily take a distant joint second.
Didn't expect my answer to Q7 to be so controversial to be honest. Thought I met get more grief for the Pool Crawler which isn't actually described as a toad/frog despite its clear toadness/frogocity.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 22:00:11 GMT
Think I benefited from some generous adjudication, particularly for Q4 where I was conscious my answer would go straight into Dubious Answers Corner...as you observed, it's not very clear whether the very bottom of the image constitutes a step or the floor so thanks for the benefit of the doubt on that one. Maybe I'm misreading the image, it looked to me like the steps are angled to the left and right, with four steps (plus the top) visible in the middle, and one additional step in each of the lower left and right corners. Are those supposed to be just wall outlines that coincide with the placements of the steps? What's the description of the steps leading into 225? Either way, the lines would seem to imply the existence of another step at the bottom of the image barely visible about 2 cm in from either side. Q10. Doesn't change anything but surprised Ectovults is an acceptable answer. I may well be missing something, why wouldn't it be? Thought I met get more grief for the Pool Crawler which isn't actually described as a toad/frog despite its clear toadness/frogocity. Well, it says it rises up "like a giant toad", which along with the image was enough for me.
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Post by sylas on Jun 5, 2024 22:33:23 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Ectovults are underwater so cannot be airborne.
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Post by Per on Jun 5, 2024 22:36:59 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Ectovults are underwater so cannot be airborne. The Anemori (Anemoruses?) are water-based, but the Ectovults are explicitly flying, and they're the ones doing the assaulting.
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Post by Wildy on Jun 5, 2024 23:07:00 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, Ectovults are underwater so cannot be airborne. I’ll admit that I have the book but haven’t read it yet. I was struggling to find some flying things. I saw some pterodactyl things, quickly glanced at the paragraph and read “flying”! Saved! (I thought) Now that you mention it, that other thing does look like a squid,but my mind was like “is it space? What a strange cover too, as long as there’s some flying and attacking, I should be fine!”
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Post by sylas on Jun 6, 2024 9:17:13 GMT
Ectovults are flying and attacking but they and you are deep underwater in the Abyss.
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Post by Per on Jun 6, 2024 12:51:13 GMT
I don't remember that being the case. 393 references "the air around you" as you fall towards the crater. In 93 you stand on a crystal and "slide from it into the murky black liquid" to fight the Anemorus. Then after you climb back onto the crystal, "two more erupt from the water" before being attacked by the Ectovults.
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Post by sylas on Jun 6, 2024 14:23:28 GMT
This is interesting because now I'm not sure. I always thought that by going down into the Abyss that you'd be underwater. It's been a while since I read it.
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Post by hallucination on Jun 6, 2024 17:14:55 GMT
Folks this is fun: will someone volunteer to take the next round, while we’ve generated momentum ?
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