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Post by CharlesX on Aug 11, 2024 12:03:24 GMT
Q8 Cite a named\identified object or cluster of objects in a Creature Of Havoc reference that you may pick up or otherwise add to your inventory.
A dead knight "You step over to the dead knight, pick him up.." 392 Petch 1 Red robe "Red robe.. You pick it up" 207 Kieran 1 Abundance nuts "You may eat a bag of Abundance nuts at any time" 207 Hallucination 1 Breastplate "while you are wearing it" 415 Scouserob 1
Plants with red leaves 380 "or the one with red leaves" 380 Peter's Wife 1
Bottle of Green Liquid 400 or 328 "You may, if you wish, take the bottle of green lquid with you" Per 1
Two wrist bracelets of yellow metal "when you have put them on" 281\259 Evilwizard 1
Fishbait Flower "If asked to present this plant" 325 & 380 Vastariner Wildy 2
Dusty brown sack "The sack can be used" 250 Trialmaster Adrius 2 Potion Of Fortune 235 Gabe Fandango Peter 2
Could have had the pendant or the other secret-passageway reference object (I'm sorry I can't remember what it was), the gold coins, the other flower, the crystal club, the dwarf's parchment.
Scores after Q8
Per 7 Peter Petch 9 Hallucination 10 Evilwizard 11 Peter's Wife 12 Gabe Fandango Scouserob Adrius 13 Wildy 13 (or 15)
Trialmaster Vastariner 14 Kieran 15
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Post by Per on Aug 11, 2024 12:52:06 GMT
105 - A zombie has a face of death and will give you a slow painful death Evilwizard -1 (Death bonus) 2x "dead" and 2x "death" combo, almost deserves another point off. From ref 411 it's clear enough Donag Haddurang is indeed one of the zombies but unclear just which, like Per perhaps he should have specified a number (Per may have been operating on the basis of a different interperation of the rules, perhaps because Evilwizard was a little idiosyncratic) without specification he gets the points for all the group. I can't just assume it's the first zombie because that's not certain, and it's unfair on the others. As quizmaster I could either assume Wildy should get all the other zombie points +1, or the single worst +1. Latter. The traditional "less specific answers" rule would have given a 6, one match for each other answer that gave a zombie from that group. However, reading the paragraph it seems perhaps more unlikely than not that the corpse of Donag is actually among the zombies fought, as you kick his grave shut with him still inside. Personally I was thinking "creature type" rather than "individual creature" for this question, which I probably shouldn't have been. Incorrect 380/325 Pick Purple flowers aka Fishbait Flower Wildy Wildy gave not one but two references before giving an answer where the object was what was sought and likewise a single reference was preferred. Perversely either single reference would have been an acceptable.2+2=4. I'm not sure I follow that unless there was some procedural wrinkle; I also listed two numbers, each of which gives a separate opportunity to take the item, and evilwizard seems to have provided select + actually pick up sections like Wildy, which seems to me complete/helpful rather than wrong.
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 11, 2024 13:19:10 GMT
105 - A zombie has a face of death and will give you a slow painful death Evilwizard -1 (Death bonus) 2x "dead" and 2x "death" combo, almost deserves another point off. From ref 411 it's clear enough Donag Haddurang is indeed one of the zombies but unclear just which, like Per perhaps he should have specified a number (Per may have been operating on the basis of a different interperation of the rules, perhaps because Evilwizard was a little idiosyncratic) without specification he gets the points for all the group. I can't just assume it's the first zombie because that's not certain, and it's unfair on the others. As quizmaster I could either assume Wildy should get all the other zombie points +1, or the single worst +1. Latter. The traditional "less specific answers" rule would have given a 6, one match for each other answer that gave a zombie from that group. However, reading the paragraph it seems perhaps more unlikely than not that the corpse of Donag is actually among the zombies fought, as you kick his grave shut with him still inside. Personally I was thinking "creature type" rather than "individual creature" for this question, which I probably shouldn't have been. Incorrect 380/325 Pick Purple flowers aka Fishbait Flower Wildy Wildy gave not one but two references before giving an answer where the object was what was sought and likewise a single reference was preferred. Perversely either single reference would have been an acceptable.2+2=4. I'm not sure I follow that unless there was some procedural wrinkle; I also listed two numbers, each of which gives a separate opportunity to take the item, and evilwizard seems to have provided select + actually pick up sections like Wildy, which seems to me complete/helpful rather than wrong. I know the x2 mention of death almost deserves a point off. But not seriously. I think the +10 points is too punitive so as a compromise based on the evidence I will give Wildy the +6. I did explain my reasoning for marking Wildy's other answer as incorrect, that the difference is the question was seeking a citation and Wildy gave his two references before the two citations - I might as well change my mind which will affect Vastariner's score. There's a fine line between being a tough marker and over-the-top pedantry (coughs). Edit: Giving Wildy +6 seems unfair as it contradicts the rules I set out at the start (and on everyone else) so I'm giving Wildy +4, not +6, I will cut his score by 2 at the end and mark the stricter interpretation in brackets so people know not to take it seriously in case that's the interpretation of the rules they prefer.
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Post by Wildy on Aug 11, 2024 13:29:40 GMT
Indeed, the 380 was where it says picked, but I wanted to “name” the item, so provided the paragraph with the flowers name (needed too much math!). Much trauma with wording!
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 11, 2024 13:32:24 GMT
Indeed, the 380 was where it says picked, but I wanted to “name” the item, so provided the paragraph with the flowers name (needed too much math!). Much trauma with wording! I'm sorry Wildy, but I changed my mind so that shows appeals can actually work . Pity going with Donag didn't work out though! Edit: I'm still not sure which score to give you about Q7, +6 or +4, by the rules I set out at the start it should be +4, so I will bracket two scores, and the one lower by 2 points would probably be your real score.
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 11, 2024 17:39:53 GMT
Q9 Name a Fighting Fantasy gamebook that is definitely not credited to Ian Livingstone or US's Steve Jackson. Should you risk a Fighting Fantasy credited to UK Steve Jackson alone there is a -1 bonus, but otherwise normal scoring rules apply.
Sorcery! The Seven Serpents (Steve Jackson bonus) Petch 0 The Crown Of Kings (Steve Jackson bonus) Kieran 0 Khare Cityport Of Traps (Steve Jackson bonus) Scouserob 0
Appointment with FEAR (Steve Jackson bonus) Hallucination 0 Starship Traveller (Steve Jackson bonus) Evilwizard 0 Siege Of Sardath (Keith P. Phillips) Adrius 1 Beneath Nightmare Castle (Peter Darvill-Evans) Peter 1 Phantoms Of Fear (Robin Waterfield) Peter's Wife 1 Fangs Of Fury (Luke Sharp) Vastariner 1 Stealer Of Souls (Keith Martin\Carl Sargent) Gabe Fandango 1
Creature Of Havoc (Steve Jackson bonus) Wildy Trialmaster Per 2
Obviously Legend Of Zagor would have been incorrect as this ghostwritten work has Ian Livingstone splashed over the spine and cover (I would have accepted a photo proof of a commercial published FF edition that entirely credited Martin, but I'm very sure one doesn't exist). It would seem second-guessing most wouldn't pick the obvious one, the subject of the quiz, hasn't paid off and perhaps Sorcery!, or just being cautious, would have been better bets, although it's often hard to tell.
I will leave Q10 til tomorrow as I'm tired.
Scores after Q9
Petch Per 9 Hallucination Peter 10
Evilwizard 11 Scouserob Peter's Wife 13 Gabe Fandango Adrius 14 Kieran Vastariner Wildy 15 Trialmaster 16
Very close indeed. Perhaps unexpectedly we have 2 tied for first place as well as a close last place. How will this all end?
My apologies I keep re-correcting the maths, I'm just tired but I believe it's correct now.
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Post by evilwizard on Aug 12, 2024 1:26:21 GMT
My teenage self, during the days I was first playing Creature of Havoc, would definitely have entered the first four letters reversed whilst sniggering uncontrollably. I'm more sophisticated now. I too went for a sophisticated answer
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 12, 2024 2:38:04 GMT
I mistakenly thought that CharlesX "bonus point" questions were similar to the ones I set in my own questions - that the bonus only applies if the answer also turns out to be unique, hence I chose not to try for them at all. Of course there was no mention of such condition in his questions at all, serves me right for assuming too much.
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 12, 2024 12:55:24 GMT
My teenage self, during the days I was first playing Creature of Havoc, would definitely have entered the first four letters reversed whilst sniggering uncontrollably. I'm more sophisticated now. I too went for a sophisticated answer Well done for your elaborate attempt to second-guess sophisticated answer.
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 12, 2024 14:42:21 GMT
Q10 Name a Creature Of Havoc reference either with the word "Hobbit" or that you can reach on the same playthrough at or after the endgame reference 329.
Hobbit references:
228 "You keep your eyes on the Hobbit" Scouserob 1 273 "A shiver of excitement runs through you: Hobbit bones!" Peter's Wife 1 186 "When you are finished with the Hobbit" Per 1 216 "You catch the smell from the broth. Hobbit!" Vastariner 1 82 "While you are being trained, you are well-fed on Hobbit broth." Gabe Fandango 1 2 "You sit down between the three Hobbits.." Trialmaster 1 70 "A wave of relief passes through the Hobbit's face.. A single blow sends the Hobbit crashing senselessly to the ground" Hallucination 1 (No surprise bonus for the double mention)
78 "You grab the unfortunate Hobbit that has walked straight into your clutches!" Evilwizard 1
229 "He is taller than a hobbit" Wildy Adrius 2
Endgame references:
417 "Marr casts his spell, but it has no effect" Kieran 1
460 "'Our partnership will be supreme in Allansia.''" Petch Peter 2
With more references mentioning Hobbits it wasn't surprising more went for that option, and perhaps not surprising either most got unique answers. Well done Kieran though for his unique answer in the latter category.
One point not intended by me that no one spotted was, it is written on ref 399 you may return to re-examine the message on the dwarf's hide at any time by turning to 337, so I would have accepted 337 as a 329 or downroute answer (though not ref 333 for the crystal club, as you do not face enemies with stats).
End of game results
Per 10 Petch Hallucination 11 Peter Evilwizard 12 Scouserob Peter's Wife 14 Gabe Fandango 15 Kieran Adrius Vastariner 16 Trialmaster Wildy 17
Per once again proves his mastership of this game, although well done Petch and Hallucination for coming a very close second, and everyone who's played. I definitely enjoyed this, it feels like it's been a great tribute to Creature Of Havoc, the questions were sometimes close and sometimes pile-ups but often interesting, including Question 2. The players thought hard of lots of rare answers and we've all shared some of this wonderful book.
Would I like more Rare Answers rounds based on single books?
Hell yes!
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Post by petch on Aug 12, 2024 15:09:00 GMT
Thanks a lot for the round Charles, that was great fun (as well as a good excuse for me to revisit my favourite book from the series). I loved Q2 especially - it almost inspired me to create a whole round based around FF-centric anagrams until I realised the online OED is so vast now that pretty much any word I could think of to use would have dozens if not hundreds of possible answers. Congrats to Per!
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Post by hallucination on Aug 12, 2024 15:47:01 GMT
Thanks for hosting the round, CharlesX, and congratulations to Per!
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Post by kieran on Aug 12, 2024 15:50:02 GMT
Thanks CharlesX and well done Per
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Post by scouserob on Aug 12, 2024 15:55:40 GMT
Thanks for a fun round CharlesX. 😀👍🏻 Congratulations Per. 🏆
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Post by Per on Aug 12, 2024 19:24:26 GMT
Per once again proves his mastership of this game Actually my first win, I may have been in a shared lead previously but blown up somehow. This time I was almost done in by my questionable choice to go CoH for both "name a book" questions, but it worked out. Thanks for the round, I'm now thinking I may have to get a bit more creative with the single-book round I'm slowly compiling questions for, I had been thinking they could be simple and casual...
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Post by Wildy on Aug 12, 2024 23:44:16 GMT
Thanks CharlesX and congratulations to per! It was fun to read again that book and try to find the dead ends!
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 14, 2024 2:15:33 GMT
Would I like more Rare Answers rounds based on single books?
Hell yes!
I wasn't able to fit in enough questions with sufficient available answers from a single book, but I managed to form a set based on 2 books. Would that do?
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 15, 2024 3:39:29 GMT
As I mentioned yesterday, my failed attempt to compile enough questions from just one single book resulted in a compromise of including a second related book to (hopefully) broaden the range of available viable answers for the questions. I hereby present:
The Heydrich Family Vampire Saga Edition
All answers for this round of questions have to be taken from Vault of the Vampire and Revenge of the Vampire. ONE of the questions require you to reference both of the books for optimal answers, but the remaining 9 only require you to reference either 1 of the 2. Incorrect answers will incur the penalty of (highest-scoring) answer +2, +1 more for every other wrong answer that the same player has already accumulated at that point within the whole round (so one gets heavier penalty for each additional incorrect answer he or she scores).
Back-up answers will not be allowed for this round. Do feel free to ask for clarification if you have any uncertainties about your answers before making your submission.
For each of the below questions, please do reference the relevant section(s) from the books for verification.
1. Identify a numbered section from either book where you get to destroy one of Reiner Heydrich's coffins.
2. Identify a way by which any one or more affliction acquired by the PC can be removed. (Duplication is judged based on the method of removal, not on the section referenced or the affliction removed. Different ways to remove the same affliction count as unique answers. The exact same way to remove an affliction from 2 different sections are considered duplicates.)
3. Name or otherwise identify an opponent that can only be defeated if you possess a magical sword.
4. Name or otherwise identify a character whom the PC can rescue from an attack or captivity.
5. Identify an item that you can acquire with ‘silver’ as part of its name. In this case different items with the same name qualify as different answers. So if you can find a silver chalice in both books, for example, and 2 players each pick one of them, they do not clash. But DO remember to specify the book and relevant section.
6. Name or otherwise identify a deceased character whose tomb can be visited by the PC.
7. Identify a combat opponent that has "Ghoul" or "Zombie" as part or all of its given name in the combat table. Opponent must be presented in standard combat table format with SKILL and STAMINA clearly displayed. Duplication is judged strictly based on name given in the combat table regardless of whether or not its the exact same opponent. "First Zombie" from 2 different books, or different parts of the same book, will all count as duplicated answers. Same goes for plain generic "Ghoul" or "Zombie" in any different books or combats. "First Zombie" and "Sixth Zombie" from the same combat qualify as different answers.
8. Name or otherwise identify a creature that is explicitly stated in the text to be attempting to bite or have bitten the PC. Duplication here is judged based on the creature identified, not by section number (so if two different sections are provided for the same creature biting the PC from different players, it counts as a duplicate. Different creatures of the same type biting the PC, however, can be acceptable as unique).
9. Name or otherwise identify TWO characters from the same book who are related to each other by blood. Provide reference of the relevant section that verifies the relationship. BONUS CONDITION: Your answers will be counted as unique as long as no one else name the exact same two characters as you do, but any player who submits 2 characters that are not used by anyone else at all gets a -1 bonus to his or her total score.
10. Identify one combat opponent from EACH book (Vault of the Vampire and Revenge of the Vampire) that is listed with the same name in the combat table. Like Question 7, duplication here is judged strictly based on the names given in the combat table. Do provide the relevant section number of the combats from both books. Also, the two combat opponents must have the exact same listed "name", by the letter, regardless of whether or not they're the same character. Failure to provide the exact similarity will result in the answer being considered invalid.
Window of submissions for this round will close on 2 September 2024, 0500 BST.
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Post by CharlesX on Aug 15, 2024 11:29:21 GMT
I did have Revenge Of The Vampire at one point, like Vault Of The Vampire it eventually wound up in a charity shop because my parents weren't exactly keen on Fighting Fantasy (I fear not that many people here will have Revenge Of The Vampire). It'd be pretty average if it weren't for the ridiculous extent of bugs, I don't know just how it became so valuable (chance plays a role sometimes) but it arguably doesn't deserve it. One reason is I heard it had short print run, also it was Keith Martin's last FF.
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 15, 2024 11:35:39 GMT
Added a couple of lines for Question 5 to clarify on duplication judgements, so if you read the questions before this post, do take another look.
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Post by Per on Aug 15, 2024 11:51:24 GMT
I’m going to skip this round since I haven’t read either book - I’ll look through unread books for illustrations, single enemies and such, but it’s probably not wise to dig into them this deeply - but I missed the deadline anyway.
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Post by kieran on Aug 15, 2024 18:11:11 GMT
One reason is I heard it had short print run Yeah, pretty much that. Same deal with all the late 50s.
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 16, 2024 1:48:34 GMT
First set of answers received from petch. Thank you for the submission.
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Post by kieran on Aug 16, 2024 9:39:36 GMT
I take it the actual deadline is 30 August?
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 16, 2024 10:34:18 GMT
I take it the actual deadline is 30 August? Yes, my bad. Now corrected.
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 23, 2024 8:04:40 GMT
About one week remaining, only 1 set of answers received thus far. Will this be the first round to die due to lack of entrants?
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Post by Peter on Aug 23, 2024 10:37:38 GMT
I am working on it. Stand by.
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 23, 2024 15:01:58 GMT
Answers received from Wildy. Thank you!
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Aug 25, 2024 23:33:46 GMT
Answers received from evilwizard. Thank you!
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Post by sylas on Aug 26, 2024 13:12:07 GMT
About one week remaining, only 1 set of answers received thus far. Will this be the first round to die due to lack of entrants? I'm assuming because not everyone has access to these two books. Personally I've been too occupied lately to participate but do plan on coming back to this game at a later stage. It may be because people are getting ready for FFF5 as well.
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