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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 13:54:49 GMT
3. Identify a section in which you may gain one or more slaves to your tally. Note: crewmen are not slaves.
274 (Enraki priests) - wildy - 1 348 (lizard bet) - Gabe Fandango - 1 329 (caravan) - Peter's wife - 1 106 (lizard bet) - vastariner - 1 395 (magic tiller craft) - hallucination - 1 346 (pillaging Kirkuk) - kieran - 1 252 (Warlock ship) - evilwizard, petch - 2 291 (pleasure-barge on the Parine River) - Peter, trialmaster - 2
Gambling and winning slaves could have been the nonobvious answer that was obvious, but Gabe and vastariner managed to pick one each of the four options. In addition to these you can obtain slaves in 22, 98, 104, 131, 287, 321, 364 and 392, and I may have missed some other one, as I had in fact missed kieran's.
With the field converging after the rocky start, two contestants still have perfect scores:
3 - Peter's wife, Wildy 4 - kieran 5 - evilwizard, hallucination, petch, Peter, trialmaster, vastariner 6 - Gabe Fandango
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Post by vastariner on Sept 25, 2024 14:42:05 GMT
Caravan (I reckon this is collective, you can't have a caravan of one something) Although you can have one caravan.
Then again it's usually followed by a very long train of vehicles because caravan towers are often the sort of people who would have signed up for the Stasi.
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 14:59:47 GMT
4. Identify a person or creature who communicates with direct speech and is not a crew member of the Banshee.
Merchantman captain - petch - 1 Abdul the Butcher - evilwizard - 1 Abbot of Asswr sel Dablo - Gabe Fandango - 1 The Cyclops - Peter - 1 The Krell - Peter's wife - 1 Jiamil el-Fazouk - vastariner - 1 Headman of Kirkuk - trialmaster - 1 Ali Mitok sen el-Shazar - kieran - 1 The Salamander - hallucination, wildy - 2
Another question where almost everyone managed to pick their own answer. There were a good number of unchosen options including the mausoleum ghost, the witch, the King of the Four Winds and his herald, the Sea Sprite, the robed weirdo on Nippur, Shamit Gawel Nestafa, and an Acolyte. Mog is a bit of a special case since he may become a crew member, but is not one at the time he utters any of his lines. Perhaps for this reason he was avoided, and I'm fine with not having to rule on that. (Of the people on the Banshee who were excluded to trim the list somewhat, there's YOU, the first mate, the lookout and some random crewmen.)
4 - Peter's wife 5 - kieran, Wildy 6 - evilwizard, petch, Peter, trialmaster, vastariner 7 - Gabe Fandango, hallucination
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 15:17:07 GMT
5. Identify two unconditionally game-ending sections appearing on the same page spread.
380 and 382 (impaled and boarded) - petch - 1 25 and 26 (captured and parrotified) - Gabe Fandango - 1 341 and 342 (running aground and late to Nippur) - Peter - 1 2 and 3 (crushed 'n' sliced and losing your ship) - Peter's wife - 1 16 and 17 (drowned and crushed) - trialmaster - 1 50 and 51 (losing to Abdul and eaten by sharks) - kieran - 1 172 and 174 (shipwrecked and eaten by parasites) - hallucination, wildy - 2 398 and 399 (drowned and impaled 'n' crushed) - evilwizard, vastariner - 2
A possibly flawed question in that there was no need to consult the actual contents of the instant deaths beyond verifying that they are, but well, there'll be other rounds for other books with fewer deaths for which other question formats will still work, so it might be fine to stress that this is one of the books that have a lot.
I'm sure several people noted that the spread with sections 5-9 on it has no fewer than four instant deaths (crushed, crushed, crushed and poisoned), giving six different possible answers right there. Which led to nobody choosing any one of them, but scores were still kept down admirably; the only remaining unchosen option I think is 243 and 247 (buried and petrified).
One player still has a perfect score:
5 - Peter's wife 6 - kieran 7 - petch, Peter, trialmaster, Wildy 8 - evilwizard, Gabe Fandango, vastariner 9 - hallucination
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 15:20:49 GMT
Caravan (I reckon this is collective, you can't have a caravan of one something) Although you can have one caravan. Right, like you can have one militia. My brief research on the subject seemed to reveal that in American English, you'd use singular verbs in that case, "the militia consists of..." while in British English, "consist" would be used. I'm guessing not even the British would use plural verbs with "caravan" though, but I'm a devious foreigner so who knows.
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 19:19:33 GMT
6. Identify an enemy with listed Skill and/or Stamina that you personally fight in a battle with a single statted opponent.
Shamit Gawel Nestafa - wildy - 1 Cyclops - petch - 1 Ice Beast - evilwizard - 1 Ogre Champion - Gabe Fandango - 1 Salamander - hallucination - 1 Invisible Striker - kieran, Peter's wife - 2
Wrong answers:
Fourth Troglodyte - Peter - 4 First Pirate - vastariner - 4 Second Elverine - trialmaster - 4
Since both of Skill and Stamina weren't needed, this meant the Cyclops, Ogre Champion and Wild Man were fair game, which worked out for the two contestants who went for them. Other unchosen options include the Awkmute, Sith Orb, Giant Leech, Roc, Krell, Acid Ball, Abbot, Bark Biter and Shade.
I have to assume the presence of group battles in this book - already ruled out from this question by the Skill/Stamina requirement - is primarily responsible for the bunch of answers ruled to be incorrect due to the "single" condition. In most other books I really don't think you'd normally look at a section like 130 and go, "Yep, good example of a fight against a single opponent". I very briefly considered issuing a clarification after the second of these answers came in, but you have to try to keep those things to a minimum and I do think the question was fairly clear; FF itself (though not specifically the rules of Seas) has always referred to these types of fights as "fighting more than one creature" no matter the particulars of their resolution.
Incidentally, the word "statted" was added to the question in order not to exclude battles like that against the Abbot, which you begin by cutting down in the same paragraph an attendant who is as bereft of hap as he is of stat.
Peter's wife has her first clash but since it's with kieran she maintains her lead:
7 - Peter's wife 8 - kieran, petch, Wildy 9 - evilwizard, Gabe Fandango 10 - hallucination 11 - Peter, trialmaster 12 - vastariner
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 19:26:26 GMT
7. Identify a section accompanied by a full-page illustration showing no water, nor any part of a ship, nor any person known to have sailed on a ship as of late.
298 (Cyclops) - wildy - 1 53 (door and gargoyle) - evilwizard - 1 63 (Awkmute) - Gabe Fandango - 1 184 (Lizard Men) - Peter - 1 77 (mounted herald) - Peter's wife - 1 218 (Skeleton) - trialmaster - 1 388 (hideous idol) - petch, vastariner - 2 316 (Giants) - hallucination, kieran - 2
In 77 some straight-ish lines could definitely be taken for the ocean in the distance, but since the riders are supposed to approach from the crest of a ridge further inland, it would make more sense if the lines were some kind of stratus clouds or haze, so the answer is allowed (see Talisman 313 for at least one other example of Harvey drawing clouds this way, though he typically does not).
By my estimation, other valid answers include 48 (Ogre Champion), 102 (Kishian Soldiers), 108 (witch), 194 (Caravan), 231 (castle on Enraki), 236 (Jiamil el-Fazouk) and 353 (Bark Biter).
8 - Peter's wife 9 - Wildy 10 - evilwizard, Gabe Fandango, kieran, petch 12 - hallucination, Peter, trialmaster 14 - vastariner
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 19:36:40 GMT
8. Identify a section in a Puffin FF 1-59 gamebook other than Seas of Blood with an enemy that you fight (with listed Skill and Stamina, or book-specific equivalents) that is described, in the combat entry and/or elsewhere in the same section, using the word "pirate", "buccaneer", "corsair", "cutthroat" or "rascal" (plurals, derived adjectives and such are allowed).
Master of Chaos 189 (Pirates) - Gabe Fandango - 1 Knights of Doom 205 (Cut-Throat Bandit) - Peter's wife - 1 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 254 (Captain Jarmesh, "evil pirate") - vastariner - 1 City of Thieves 152 (Pirate) - hallucination - 1 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 151 (Chaos Pirates) - kieran - 1 Sky Lord 249 (Pot-Bellied Cut-Throat) - Peter, wildy - 2 The Keep of the Lich-Lord 36 (three "Chaos pirates") - evilwizard, petch - 2
Wrong answer:
Deathmoor 353 - trialmaster - 4
Even though, or perhaps more precisely because, this question breaks out of the single-book format, I figured people could have a little fun with it, looking up some obscure fights in some obscure books.
Keep has a fairly high concentration of pirates, with options in 6, 297 and 381 in addition to the three that were used; a bunch of additional sections include fights against people who are decidedly pirates but not described as such at the time. Master also has an option in 81, and Sky Lord a perfectly ordinary Pirate Launch in 203.
Books that were not tapped for their piratical content at all include Lizard King (61 and 340), Temple (45), and Demons (51, 274, 306); no doubt there are more rascals and such not accounted for.
I've looked over trialmaster's Deathmoor answer several times and though it features the epithets "customer", "unsavoury type", "adventurer", "thug", and "yob", I see none of the terms specified by the question.
Fun fact: this question initially ended with the words: "If your answer includes both of the words 'thief' and 'cutthroat' and is unique, you may deduct 800 points from your score." I soon decided the "joke" wasn't worth the extra verbiage or the remote risk that such an option actually exists.
The field is getting stretched, and Peter's wife's lead seems unshakeable:
9 - Peter's wife 11 - Gabe Fandango, kieran, Wildy 12 - evilwizard, petch 13 - hallucination 14 - Peter 15 - vastariner 16 - trialmaster
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 19:44:17 GMT
9. Identify a body part belonging to the Cyclops to which you may attempt, as offered in an option, to apply a violent move. A targeted body part may technically be part of another and still count as a different answer, e.g. "spleen" and "torso" assuming those would otherwise qualify.
Groin - petch - 1 Wrist - Gabe Fandango - 1 Head - Peter - 1 Knees - Peter's wife - 1 Ribs - vastariner - 1 Jaw - hallucination - 1 Midriff - trialmaster - 1 Armpit - evilwizard, kieran, wildy - 3
I guess the question here was how dirty to fight. The groin was targeted, but not the eye. The armpit is kind of a weird place to strike, which is perhaps why three people resorted to this.
Additional areas not targeted include elbow, shoulder, stomach, chest, legs, back, spine, kidneys and arm, so there was a bunch to choose from. Actually my first formulation of the question also asked for the type of strike attempted, producing a list of permutations that became very long.
Scores going into the final question and the million points which will surely be awarded there:
10 - Peter's wife 12 - Gabe Fandango 13 - petch 14 - hallucination, kieran, Wildy 15 - evilwizard, Peter 16 - vastariner 17 - trialmaster
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Post by Per on Sept 25, 2024 19:56:25 GMT
10. Identify an object that you may obtain and keep. Things that are meant to apply for this: items that you are asked if you have found, directly or indirectly; items that impart an immediate or ongoing mechanical effect, even if not referenced again; items that would at least in theory have some special significance or value. Things that are not meant to apply for this: objects or accessories that are briefly handled but not meaningfully retrieved or retained; salvaged objects which are automatically consumed, sold or gifted in the same section; mundane items or accessories, e.g. containers, mentioned incidentally when obtaining something else; objects that you obtain or manipulate right before your unconditional demise; supplies, gold or slaves.
Tiller - petch - 1 Awkmute's staff - Peter - 1 Letter of free passage to Shurrupak - Peter's wife - 1 Unicorn's horn - Gabe Fandango, wildy - 2 Stout-looking helmet - hallucination, vastariner - 2 Ebony crossbow - kieran, trialmaster - 2
Wrong answer:
Skins of wine - evilwizard - 4
This was the question with the fewest number of answers, and one that's slightly wobbly around the edges. The letter of free passage turns out not to be needed, but is basically what the "at least in theory some special significance or value" qualifier refers to. wildy seemingly tried hard to produce an incorrect answer, since all the supporting information pointed towards the whole skull, which you only "obtain" before dying, but the answer as initially stated is correct.
Other options I would have allowed include the bags with the north and south winds (separately, since each is a magical treasure in its own right and tbey get used in different ways), the jewelled ring (I doubt you leave it behind, it doesn't get converted into treasure and having found it gives you an option further on), and the Abbot's sword.
I reckon evilwizard's answer is closer to meeting three of the "don't apply" descriptors - supplies, mundane goods obtained along with something of significance (gold and a slave in this case), and something consumed at once by your "now drunken crew" - than it is to meeting any of the "do apply" ones, and so it is disallowed.
Final tally:
11 - Peter's wife 14 - Gabe Fandango, petch 16 - hallucination, kieran, Peter, Wildy 18 - vastariner 19 - evilwizard, trialmaster
Yeah. there's no catching up to Peter's wife, who uses the bodies of her defeated opponents as a staircase to pass the wall on Nippur and deposit a copper piece on the summit, while Abdul slaves away in the kitchen of the Troglodytes after his over-exuberant crew set fire to his beard, and so she gets to captain the ship on the long way home. Congratulations on yet another victory, and thanks to all who tried!
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Post by Wildy on Sept 25, 2024 20:56:12 GMT
Aaarrr! Congratulations to Peter’s wife! Thanks Per for a fun round! I loved trying to find some choices or use reverse psychology.
I’m shocked I grouped on some of my proudest choices: Sky Lord and arm pit (because I learned that word’s equivalent in French in my book as a kid and before looking it up in a dictionary, I wondered where I was hitting him, therefore having that word burned to my brain skin).
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Post by vastariner on Sept 25, 2024 22:56:47 GMT
Wrong answers: Fourth Troglodyte - Peter - 4 First Pirate - vastariner - 4 Second Elverine - trialmaster - 4 I have to assume the presence of group battles in this book - already ruled out from this question by the Skill/Stamina requirement - is primarily responsible for the bunch of answers ruled to be incorrect due to the "single" condition. In most other books I really don't think you'd normally look at a section like 130 and go, "Yep, good example of a fight against a single opponent". If you fight them one at a time, and each one has its own individual stat, that's an individual fight against a single-statted opponent, surely?
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Post by kieran on Sept 26, 2024 8:26:46 GMT
Thanks Per and well done to Peter's wife.
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Post by hallucination on Sept 26, 2024 8:45:07 GMT
Congrats, Peter’s wife!! And thanks Per for a really fun round
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Post by Peter on Sept 26, 2024 9:12:26 GMT
I will accept the ruling on question 5, as it is clearly an example of one of the methods of fighting more than one creature. I had not looked at it that way.
But I will argue about question 7: the illustrations for 77 and 316 both show clouds (regardless of the debate over the lines in 77). Clouds are made of water.
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Post by kieran on Sept 26, 2024 10:44:27 GMT
Out of curiosity (which curiously is apparently not spelt with a 'u' even though curiously is), I put together a leaderboard. Obviously comparisons are a bit tricky as different contestants enter each time and the rules vary somewhat, but for what it's worth:
| Contestant | Total wins | Win rate | 1 | Peter's wife | 5 | 27.8 | 2 | Petch | 5 | 20.0 | 3 | Adrius | 4 | 22.2 | 4 | Gabe Fandango | 4 | 15.4 | 5 | Thealmightymudworm | 3 | 21.4 | 6 | Sylas | 3 | 14.3 | 7 | Vastariner | 3 | 10.0 | 8 | Evilwizard & Trialmaster | 2 | 11.8 | 10 | Kieran | 2 | 6.9 | 11 | Wizard Slayer | 1 | 100 | 12 | Charles X | 1 | 20.0 | 13 | Per & Terrysalt | 1 | 16.7 | 15 | Wilf | 1 | 10.0 | 16 | Hallucination | 1 | 5.9 | 17 | Peter | 1 | 3.7 |
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Post by trialmaster on Sept 26, 2024 12:35:57 GMT
Out of curiosity (which curiously is apparently not spelt with a 'u' even though curiously is), I put together a leaderboard. Obviously comparisons are a bit tricky as different contestants enter each time and the rules vary somewhat, but for what it's worth:
| Contestant | Total wins | Win rate | 1 | Peter's wife | 5 | 27.8 | 2 | Petch | 5 | 20.0 | 3 | Adrius | 4 | 22.2 | 4 | Gabe Fandango | 4 | 15.4 | 5 | Thealmightymudworm | 3 | 21.4 | 6 | Sylas | 3 | 14.3 | 7 | Vastariner | 3 | 10.0 | 8 | Evilwizard & Trialmaster | 2 | 11.8 | 10 | Kieran | 2 | 6.9 | 11 | Wizard Slayer | 1 | 100 | 12 | Charles X | 1 | 20.0 | 13 | Per & Terrysalt | 1 | 16.7 | 15 | Wilf | 1 | 10.0 | 16 | Hallucination | 1 | 5.9 | 17 | Peter | 1 | 3.7 |
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Post by trialmaster on Sept 26, 2024 12:39:24 GMT
Wizard slayer clearly quit while they were ahead! Congrats again to Peter's wife! After a bright start I am plummeting down the table!
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Post by sylas on Sept 26, 2024 14:06:43 GMT
Lol
Peter's wife and Peter comparison.
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Post by kieran on Sept 26, 2024 15:39:27 GMT
Lol Peter's wife and Peter comparison. Lol. In fairness to Peter, there are 11 players yet to score a win so he's not doing as badly as that table might suggest.
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Post by petch on Sept 26, 2024 16:19:58 GMT
I'll admit to completely misreading Q6 - I read a fight against a 'single statted opponent' as a fight against an opponent with only one stat, which would have meant there are only 3 possible answers: the Cyclops (Stamina) and the Wild Man and Ogre Champion (Skill). I guess I got lucky that my misinterpretation still gave me a valid and unique answer!
Congrats Peter's wife and thanks Per for a groin-kickingly good round.
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Post by Per on Sept 26, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
If you fight them one at a time, and each one has its own individual stat, that's an individual fight against a single-statted opponent, surely? In one technical sense, yes, which however requires you to ignore the context of that fight being part of a bigger fight with additional opponents, thematically simultaneous and procedurally integrated. In your view, what's the most reasonable interpretation of what the qualifier "single opponent" should specifically be meant to exclude, given that the question already asks for "an enemy"? But I will argue about question 7: the illustrations for 77 and 316 both show clouds (regardless of the debate over the lines in 77). Clouds are made of water. Annoyingly this objection is more difficult to reject. On the one hand, "water" often refers to liquid water rather than the chemical compound of water in any state. On the other hand, clouds are in fact made of droplets, not vapour. On the third hand, if First Pirate and Second Pirate are walking through the Scytheran Desert and First Pirate says "See any water?" and Second Pirate responds "Yes" because there's clouds, Second Pirate could be accused of being a smartass because that's not what First Pirate was talking about. I must admit I didn't consider this at all, and I suspect several contestants didn't either (160 would have been disallowed because of the crewmen, not the snow). If we decide that clouds are bad but that vitreous humour still doesn't count (because that would be silly) and that all the droopy things in the Lizard Man image are plant matter and not moisture, that would give 3 more points to Peter's wife and 2 more points each to hallucination and kieran, prodicing the following results: 14 - Gabe Fandango, petch, Peter's wife 16 - Peter, Wildy 18 - hallucination, kieran, vastariner 19 - evilwizard, trialmaster The three-way tie is problematic since I had removed the question that would have served as a tiebreaker. Would it be a cop-out to wait and see if either GF or petch has any strong feelings about cloudery?
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Post by vastariner on Sept 26, 2024 19:49:05 GMT
In one technical sense, yes, which however requires you to ignore the context of that fight being part of a bigger fight with additional opponents, thematically simultaneous and procedurally integrated. In your view, what's the most reasonable interpretation of what the qualifier "single opponent" should specifically be meant to exclude, given that the question already asks for "an enemy"? I obviously misunderstood and thought that that was the trick, in that on careful reading they were individual fights...I am somewhat comforted in this in that I was not the only one... Annoyingly this objection is more difficult to reject. On the one hand, "water" often refers to liquid water rather than the chemical compound of water in any state. The way I look at it, we have no word for H2O, we have different words for it in its different states. Nobody would look at an iceberg and say "water". Similarly clouds may be made up of water vapour but in that instant water is an adjective describing what sort of vapour...
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Post by petch on Sept 26, 2024 20:28:57 GMT
Yes, I'd agree. If you wanted to get very pedantic you could say that all of the answers are incorrect as there is water in the atmosphere. On that basis I don't think it's unreasonable to go with the question's implied intent of liquid water.
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Post by Peter on Sept 27, 2024 8:54:08 GMT
Even if I win this debate, she still beats me, so let's leave it at that.
I have to admit, she is putting in more effort than I am towards finding clever or obscure answers, and it is paying dividends.
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Post by Gabe Fandango on Sept 28, 2024 8:51:19 GMT
Finally had the time to check in this week! The three-way tie is problematic since I had removed the question that would have served as a tiebreaker. Would it be a cop-out to wait and see if either GF or petch has any strong feelings about cloudery? Doesn't look like my vote is needed now, but for what it's worth, I agree with the others that we should judge based on your intended definition of water.
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Post by Peter on Sept 30, 2024 8:36:41 GMT
They are convincing arguments, so I will concede. Thank you Per, this was a good quiz, that seems to have rewarded diligence.
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Post by Per on Sept 30, 2024 14:48:05 GMT
Sometimes we can only shrug and agree that the most important thing is that you lose to your wife and the rest is details.
As I think I've mentioned before, I have another single-book round in the works (for Sword of the Samurai) which, should it turn out that nobody else is preparing anything, I should be able to launch in a week or so. I'm thinking I will calibrate it for a slightly lower number of contestants. For the longer term I'm also considering another illustrations round, although I'd prefer to know we can muster 12+ players for that one. Also I'd love for petch to do another one of those so I can play.
Is there any hope that sylas, adrius, scouserob, thealmightymudworm or CharlesX (who ran a round recently but hasn't otherwise played) will be participating in the weeks or months to come?
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Post by CharlesX on Sept 30, 2024 15:13:02 GMT
Sometimes we can only shrug and agree that the most important thing is that you lose to your wife and the rest is details. As I think I've mentioned before, I have another single-book round in the works (for Sword of the Samurai) which, should it turn out that nobody else is preparing anything, I should be able to launch in a week or so. I'm thinking I will calibrate it for a slightly lower number of contestants. For the longer term I'm also considering another illustrations round, although I'd prefer to know we can muster 12+ players for that one. Also I'd love for petch to do another one of those so I can play. Is there any hope that sylas, adrius, scouserob, thealmightymudworm or CharlesX (who ran a round recently but hasn't otherwise played) will be participating in the weeks or months to come? Hi
I don't always participate partly because many of my FF have been given away to charity. Not including Seas Of Blood, but I couldn't get to it within the deadline (even the extended one) and the questions were challenging - probably testifies more to me wimping out than any criticism of the questions. Unfortunately I don't have Sword Of The Samurai either, not even at all (my local library doesn't have FFs or doesn't have most).
At some point I mean to do a Deathtrap Dungeon round that incorporates Deathtrap Dungeon Trial Of Champions and The Dungeon On Blood Island. I don't have Armies Of Death, but as it isn't that brilliant (arguably) I don't think that's so bad. That would be in a while, as my round was recent as is TDOBI.
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Post by scouserob on Sept 30, 2024 17:13:11 GMT
Is there any hope that … scouserob, … will be participating in the weeks or months to come? Hi Per Time allowing I’ll join in any future round that I have enough of the gamebooks to compete in. Unfortunately the last few (and Sword of the Samurai) have involved those that I don’t own. I know there are options but I don’t feel too comfortable with them (when I haven’t paid for a copy yet) and it isn’t as enjoyable, in any case, when I’m not familiar with them. The single book centred Unique Answers Games that I did enter were great fun though. 😀 (And I do watch/read and enjoy from the sidelines.)
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