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Post by johnbrawn1972 on May 17, 2019 16:09:35 GMT
If that is the page of the 'real' achievement the luck score does not look(pun intended)right? A 12/24/12 start means you lose -3 luck on the standard route and then you arrive at Razaak where, on my system at least, you have 3 luck to use for extra damage. Is the 'real' page of notes there to read? I think Khaxan(?) was plausible when she(?) said it took her three to fours months to complete a proper attempt. This seems plausible when the amended route without the chameleonite blood might be around 1% and that is with 12/24/12. The posted picture above shows 12/21/10 which is low by this books standards. Maximum luck helps to chip away Razaak before he matches you either blow for blow or the insane two round win destroys you. He does show a final stamina of 10 so if he was at maximum stamina of 21 or say 20 he only lost 5 rounds to Razaak? Plausible? In fact his stats are virtually identical to Razaak barring at that point an extra luck point to use for damage so he loses 5 rounds but wins 8 normal rounds plus one extra damage round(possibly) plus none of those lost rounds were consecutive. It is hard to read but he shows the last two entries as 6 then 10 for stamina? Why take a tot at this time when 6 stamina guarantees victory? Losing 3 luck points at discrete intervals is fishy as well? What about the additions to luck? What about the -3 luck so implies he fights the Gargantis and still has 4 tots left at the end? I am inclined to only believe Khaxan as that sounded plausible. I can't really respond to most of this as I don't own the book or have any more info on the tweeter. However I can confirm Khaxzan, who is Tammy, is female and is intending to be active around here again (and possibly contributing something to the Fighting Fantasy Project) soon, so you could ask her how that came about. To be honest I'd be a bit surprised if she won Crypt by the rules (I mean extra surprised) as I'm sure she mentioned ditching the dice for FF books early on after encountering Deathtrap Dungeon. I have beaten this book so many times on my first attempt without cheating or losing. I'm sure a lot of people have beaten the book many times. Indeed I doubt many copies exist that are not marked by knuckle-prints. How weird is that I have only just 'got' the wonderful joke above. I must have read it in literal mode originally.
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Post by daredevil123 on May 17, 2019 16:13:13 GMT
Oh my God, I just got it too!
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on May 17, 2019 16:18:15 GMT
Ive died today killed by that giant golem. How I hate to loose a fighting fantasy book. A very strong and painful feeling of wasting life. f**k! f**k! f**k! f**k this world!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to set you a project Vag. Try completing Crypt with 12/14/7, by following the rules and using dice, and when you have completed the project write a paragraph on here about your feelings regarding Crypt as a gamebook.
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Post by vagsancho on May 27, 2019 14:29:15 GMT
I've won this book today. Amazing book. Fantastic book. An absolute and almost perfect diamond. A masterpiece from Ian Livingstone. Livingstone's greatest Masterpiece. Razaak - by far - the greatest and the most spectacular opponent in all history of fighting fantasy books. Undoubtedly, The best FF book of ALL (perhaps side by side with House of Hell).
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Post by stevendoig on May 27, 2019 14:47:03 GMT
you won???
tell me how you managed that? one presumes you gave yourself max stats at the start and you treated all skill bonuses as attack strength bonuses?
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on May 27, 2019 14:56:16 GMT
you won??? tell me how you managed that? one presumes you gave yourself max stats at the start and you treated all skill bonuses as attack strength bonuses? Do not expect a rational answer.
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Post by philsadler on May 27, 2019 18:36:08 GMT
you won??? tell me how you managed that? one presumes you gave yourself max stats at the start and you treated all skill bonuses as attack strength bonuses? Even that wouldn't be enough to get past all the 'roll or die' rubbish or Razaak's special ability.
Most broken book of all, apart from the laughable Blood of the Zombies.
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Post by vagsancho on May 28, 2019 16:42:22 GMT
To win this book I needed to put all my will, all my desire to feel it, and all my soul within it. Only with such love, it became possible. Yes, I read somewhere about here that livingstone is not very likeable for this or for that reason, but truth must be said, crypt of the sorcerer is his most perfect masterpiece, sharing the throne only with Jackson's house of hell.
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Post by stevendoig on May 28, 2019 18:37:28 GMT
Ah, I understand
You big cheater you.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on May 28, 2019 20:27:31 GMT
To win this book I needed to put all my will, all my desire to feel it, and all my soul within it. Only with such love, it became possible. Yes, I read somewhere about here that livingstone is not very likeable for this or for that reason, but truth must be said, crypt of the sorcerer is his most perfect masterpiece, sharing the throne only with Jackson's house of hell. See answer above.
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Post by Wilf on May 28, 2019 22:51:28 GMT
There's nothing unwinnable about Crypt that can't be solved by rolling your initial stats with d20s rather than d6s.
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Post by philsadler on May 29, 2019 3:50:05 GMT
There's nothing unwinnable about Crypt that can't be solved by rolling your initial stats with d20s rather than d6s.
If you ignore all the instant deaths, that is.
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Post by sylas on May 31, 2019 23:14:09 GMT
All you have to do is not use dice and always choose the favorable outcome.
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Post by hynreck on Jun 5, 2019 12:53:18 GMT
So I was wandering through the Black Lodge (Twin Peaks reference, for those in the know), and I kept being assailed by BOB and Judy and was sure my doom was at hand but luckily I brought along my copy of Crypt of the Sorcerer, and gave it to them. Well, they are still trying to beat it and I got away. So Crypt is truly one of the greatest book out there. Powerful. Thank you, Crypt!
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Post by schlendrian on Jun 5, 2019 14:00:22 GMT
Sorry to break it to you, but by choosing to wander the black lodge in the first place you missed out on finding the information about the number of times Angol the Barbarian scratched his balls last summer written on a rusted bicycle tossed into a berry thicket, which will be crucial later on, so you're doomed anyway!
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Post by hynreck on Jun 6, 2019 13:07:49 GMT
Dammit! There's always something. Well, I'll have to rewind time again.
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Post by vagsancho on Jul 8, 2019 7:04:10 GMT
Best books of Ian Livinsgtone: (in order) 1... Crypt of the sorcerer 2... Trial of Champions 3... Deathrap dungeon 4... City of thieves 5... Snow witch 6... Temple of terror 7... Lizard king 8... Freeway fighter 9... Return to firetop mountain 10.. Armies of Death 11.. Warlock of firetop mountain 12.. Forest of doom
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Post by kieran on Jul 8, 2019 8:58:40 GMT
Best books of Ian Livinsgtone: (in order) 1... Crypt of the sorcerer 2... Trial of Champions 3... Deathrap dungeon 4... City of thieves 5... Snow witch 6... Temple of terror 7... Lizard king 8... Freeway fighter 9... Return to firetop mountain 10.. Armies of Death 11.. Warlock of firetop mountain 12.. Forest of doom Where would you place Eye of the Dragon, Blood of the Zombies and Port of Peril? I would probably go for: 1. Deathtrap Dungeon 2. City of Thieves 3. Trial of Champions 4. Return to Firetop Mountain 5. Temple of Terror 6. Caverns of the Snow Witch 7. Island of the Lizard King8. The Warlock of Firetop Mountain 9. Eye of the Dragon 10. Forest of Doom 11. Port of Peril 12. Crypt of the Sorcerer 13. Freeway Fighter 14. Armies of Death 15. Blood of the Zombies
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Post by sylas on Jul 8, 2019 14:54:01 GMT
Eye of the Dragon is literally the random dungeon generator turned into a book. None of it makes sense. Port of Peril is one of Ian's fairest books to my surprise and plays well too despite a very weak story. Blood of the Zombies is a great read if you ignore the introduction and ending. But it's unplayable with dice.
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Post by johnbrawn1972 on Jul 8, 2019 17:01:48 GMT
Not sure about this but the early books near the top for sure. Warlock and Forest really play by the rules. City of Thieves is a joy to read and the atmosphere really pulls you in though the end is a little bit unfair. I have no problem with the use two ingredients choice as this only rates as a very slight unfairness. It is the sudden requirement of a hefty warrior which really galls. Likewise Deathtrap is such a mad premise but is so well written and constructed with a degree of fairness. As with the preceding book a hefty warrior is necessary but this seems to follow rationally as the other contestants are hardly Lowry stick figures.
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Post by Wilf on Jul 8, 2019 19:45:24 GMT
Ooh, can I play? 1. Deathtrap Dungeon 2. Trial of Champions 3. City of Thieves 4. Island of the Lizard King 5. Crypt of the Sorcerer 6. Forest of Doom 7. The Warlock of Firetop Mountain 8. Freeway Fighter 9. Caverns of the Snow Witch 10. Temple of Terror Edited to Add: 10.5 Assassins of Allansia
11. Return to Firetop Mountain 12. Eye of the Dragon 13. Armies of Death 14. Port of Peril 15. Blood of the Zombies
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Post by kieran on Jul 8, 2019 20:08:51 GMT
Eye of the Dragon is literally the random dungeon generator turned into a book. None of it makes sense. Very true but I dunno, I just find it kinda fun despite myself.
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Post by tyrion on May 26, 2020 10:57:36 GMT
Despite playing ff for over thirty years, I've never completed this one. Until yesterday. I treated myself to max stats, and it wasn't too bad until the encounter with Razaak. Still scraped through though. I actually enjoyed it, interesting (if random in some cases) encounters, epic scope, some excellent illustrations. Still don't understand the silver rod bit though. I need to add two numbers together to get it to work, fair enough, anti-cheat mechanism. But later on, when you use it against the gargantis, you can guess your way through. Anyway, now I've succeeded at this one, it's time for another crack at masks of mayhem.
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Post by sylas on May 26, 2020 14:21:37 GMT
Despite playing ff for over thirty years, I've never completed this one. Until yesterday. I treated myself to max stats, and it wasn't too bad until the encounter with Razaak. Still scraped through though. I actually enjoyed it, interesting (if random in some cases) encounters, epic scope, some excellent illustrations. Still don't understand the silver rod bit though. I need to add two numbers together to get it to work, fair enough, anti-cheat mechanism. But later on, when you use it against the gargantis, you can guess your way through. Anyway, now I've succeeded at this one, it's time for another crack at masks of mayhem. If you won fairly, you've probably cheated somewhere without realising.
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Post by sylas on May 26, 2020 20:59:42 GMT
The Silver Rod comes in two halves found in different locations. Considering you guessed your way against the Gargantis without having both parts of the Rod, that means there should be no way you could have used it to reach the correct paragraph number. And if you fought the Gargantis in battle, it is incredibly unlikely that you would have enough Stamina/Healing potion left to survive the remainder of the journey unless you consistently rolled bad for Razaak and good for yourself.
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Post by The Count on May 27, 2020 20:58:15 GMT
The Silver Rod comes in two halves found in different locations. Considering you guessed your way against the Gargantis without having both parts of the Rod, that means there should be no way you could have used it to reach the correct paragraph number. And if you fought the Gargantis in battle, it is incredibly unlikely that you would have enough Stamina/Healing potion left to survive the remainder of the journey unless you consistently rolled bad for Razaak and good for yourself. Are you not given three options after getting to the correct reference and you'd only remember the right one if you read the text carefully and happened to note it down? Or am I misremembering as I couldn't be bothered reading it properly after constantly dying and went looking for a solution (ending up here) - and still dying constantly.
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Post by a moderator on May 27, 2020 21:31:02 GMT
You find out what the Rod does by adding together the numbers on both parts after acquiring the second one. Later on, when you need to use it, the book just asks if you have the Rod and, as a rubbish anti-cheat mechanism, gives you a multiple-choice question on the Rod's power. If you lie about having it, all you have to do to successfully use it is make a guess, at the same odds as the final choice in City of Thieves.
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Post by tyrion on May 29, 2020 11:11:10 GMT
You find out what the Rod does by adding together the numbers on both parts after acquiring the second one. Later on, when you need to use it, the book just asks if you have the Rod and, as a rubbish anti-cheat mechanism, gives you a multiple-choice question on the Rod's power. If you lie about having it, all you have to do to successfully use it is make a guess, at the same odds as the final choice in City of Thieves. Yes, this was the point I was making. I did find both parts of the rod and used it correctly, it was odd that you didn't need to use the numbers when facing the gargantis, you could guess your way through.
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Post by philsadler on May 29, 2020 14:18:18 GMT
It's just another bit of 'don't care, don't play test' Livingstone design. I mean I understand what you're saying but I would argue that it's the least problem thing about the book!
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Post by dragonwarrior8 on Oct 16, 2020 16:53:09 GMT
There's nothing unwinnable about Crypt that can't be solved by rolling your initial stats with d20s rather than d6s. Having finally played this nightmare I think Wilf may be on to something here. The rules just say "Use dice to determine your initial scores". It never actually says they need to be D6's. I smell a possible loophole here?
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